Additionally, this question: Is there no limit to the incessant "fund raising" for OPB (Oregon Public Broadcasting) that billionaires Arlene (Director) and Harold Schnitzer insert into their Public Broadcasting daily programming, programming which coincides with a collateral damaging, as it were, collateral reduction in timely "Hard News", conspicuously led by the absence of the threat to Middle East peace exemplified by Netanyahu & Lieberman's Israel?!?! In actuality, OPB under the Schnitzers has degenerated into OPPB, Oregon Public Propaganda Broadcasting, on a track developed in our age by Roger Ailes (who originated 'FOX' broadcasting) and his protégé Rush Limbaugh. Shameful.
What is often forgotten is that the notorious Schnitzer family of Oregon [which is responsible for the desecration of OPB (Oregon "Public" Broadcasting)] invited the war monger Benjamin Netanyahu to Portland, Oregon in July of 2002 to campaign for Republican Senator Gordon Smith (for whom the phrase "empty suit" was coined), i.e. Democrats for Smith, whose sub rosa supporters surely included Senator Ron Wyden. Netanyahu, whose Israeli acolyte Yigal Amir assassinated the genuine Soldier/Statesman Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in November of 1995, this Netanyahu, through the notorious Israeli political apparatus, became the Israeli prime minister 1996-99! And it is this Netanyahu who the Schnitzers invited to Oregon to campaign for Gordon Smith. In all of this there exists (moreso today) , a fanatic, frenetic thread of sordid madness, a true threat to world peace as Netanyahu has demonstrated in the Middle East, and a diminishing informed American public here at home, as the Schnitzers are demonstrating with Oregon Public Broadcasting. We should have known. Netanyahu and the Schnitzers are COUSINS!, and on 7/19/10 Amy Goodman and DemocracyNow informed our ignorance, again.
"A newly revealed tape shows Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu once openly discussed his intent to attack the Palestinian government, undermine the Oslo peace accords, and manipulate the United States to ensure its approval. The 2001 recording shows Netanyahu meeting with Israeli SETTLERS in the occupied West Bank. Netanyahu was then out of government after serving his first stint in office. Apparently unaware he was being recorded, Netanyahu talks openly of a 'broad attack' on the Palestinian government, saying, 'The main thing, first of all, is to hit them. Not just one blow, but blows that are so painful that the price will be too heavy to be borne.'
"Netanyahu also outlines how he would undermine the 1993 Oslo accords, he said, which established the basis for Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, by declaring any West Bank land that Israel wants to retain as 'military' and 'security zones.' Addressing potential US opposition to Israeli expansionism, Netanyahu says, 'I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. THEY WON’T GET IN THE WAY.'" - Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 7/19/10
* Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 7/19/11
(1) "Alaskan BP Oil Pipeline Rupture Predicted as 'Imminent' for over a Year
A BP oil pipeline on Alaska’s North Slope ruptured on Saturday, spilling up to 4,200 gallons of oil-containing fluids, mainly methanol, into the Alaskan tundra. ProPublica reports that the section of pipeline where the leak occurred was flagged by BP officials more than a year ago as so corroded it presented an imminent threat of rupture.
(2) New Montana Oil Spill Releases Hundreds of Gallons
There has been another oil spill in Montana. Up to 630 gallons of crude has spilled at an oil field in the Blackfeet Indian Reservation. The oil line may have been leaking for 10 to 14 days before a neighboring landowner reported it last week.
Montana: Regulators Knew Contaminated Bark Was Being Sold in Asbestos-Tainted Town
In Montana, the Associated Press has revealed federal regulators knew potentially contaminated bark and wood chips were being sold from a Superfund site in the asbestos-tainted town of Libby, Montana, for three years before they stopped the practice. The contaminated wood chips were placed in yards, city parks, outside schools and at the local cemetery. Asbestos from a W.R. Grace mine in Libby has killed an estimated 400 people and sickened at least 1,750 people.
(3) Israeli Navy Seizes Gaza-Bound Pro-Palestinian Ship
Israeli Navy commanders have seized a French ship carrying pro-Palestinian activists bound for Gaza. The French ship, Dignity al-Karama, set sail from Greece on Saturday. Among its 16 passengers were people from France, Canada, Greece, Sweden and Tunisia. The ship was supposed to be part of a large international aid flotilla to Gaza, but none of the other ships managed to leave port due to sabotage and interference by the Greek government.
(4) Israel Moves to Build Hundreds of New Settlement Homes in Occupied Territories
The Israeli government is moving forward on plans to build 336 new settlement homes in defiance of the international community. According to the plan, 294 of the homes will be built outside of Jerusalem, another 42 will be build outside of the West Bank city of Nablus. Palestinians said Israel’s move to build more settlements hardened their resolve to seek statehood recognition from the United Nations. Hagit Ofran of the Israeli group Peace Now also criticized the new settlements.
Hagit Ofran, Peace Now: "The government of Israel is expanding the settlements despite the fact that it’s against the Israeli interest and against the declarations of the government that we are going to peace. This construction in settlements now pushes the Palestinians to go unilaterally to the U.N."
(5) International Community Denounces New Israeli Anti-Boycott Law
A new Israeli law outlawing citizens and organizations from advocating for boycotts against any Israeli person or entity is drawing criticism from around the world as an attack on freedom of speech. Under the new law, any person — including journalists — calling for the boycott or divestment of Israel or the occupied West Bank can be sued by the boycott’s targets without having to prove that they sustained damage. Prominent Israeli columnist Ben Caspit, who is opposed to boycotts, denounced the new legislation, writing, “This is a blatant and a resounding shutting of people’s mouths. This is a thought police. There is no choice but to use this word. Fascism at its worst is raging.” The Jewish daily newspaper, The Forward, issued an editorial claiming, “a boycott can be a legitimate use of non-violent protest to achieve a worthy goal.” The editors of the paper then drew a line through the sentence, along with several others, to illustrate the type of reasonable thoughts that will be punishable under the new law.
* Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 7/20/11
(1) FBI Arrests 16 in Raids Targeting Online Hackers
The FBI has arrested 16 people in a series of nationwide raids targeting two of the world’s most well-known hacking organizations. Fourteen of the suspects were arrested for their alleged links to a December attack on the online payment site, PayPal. The loosely affiliated hacker activist group, Anonymous, took credit for the breach in response to PayPal’s suspension of accounts that donated money to the whistleblower website, WikiLeaks. An additional suspect was arrested for an Anonymous-linked breach of the FBI-affiliated website, InfraGard. The final suspect was arrested for allegedly lifting files from AT&T’s computer system and providing them to LulzSec, a separate hacking group with ties to Anonymous. The suspects were charged with conspiring to intentionally damage protected computers, which is punishable by a maximum of 10 years in prison. The arrests came as LulzSec reportedly breached the computer systems of News International, The Sun, The Times and The Sunday Times, all Murdoch-owned publications. GOD BLESS HACKERS!
* Amy Goodman Juan Gonzalez DemocracyNow 7/21/11
(1) Amira Hass
"Earlier this week, three Israeli missile ships and seven commando boats intercepted a French ship attempting to reach the Gaza Strip. The ship, Dignité-Al Karama, was the sole representative of the original 10-strong international aid flotilla hoping to break the blockade on Gaza and express support for Palestinians living under occupation. At least 150 soldiers were sent to sea early Tuesday morning to prevent the 10 civilian activists, the three crew members and the three journalists on the flotilla from reaching Gaza’s port. Fifteen passengers were arrested, prevented from seeing their lawyers, and sent for deportation. We speak with Ha’aretz correspondent Amira Hass, one of the few journalists who was aboard the ship. Hass is also one of the only Israeli journalists to have spent several years living in and reporting from Gaza and the West Bank.
Amira Hass, Ha’aretz correspondent.
JUAN GONZALEZ: We turn now to Israel, where three missile ships and seven commando boats intercepted a "freedom flotilla" trying to breach the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip earlier this week. The French boat, Dignité-Al Karama was the sole representative of the original 10-strong flotilla hoping to break the blockade on Gaza and express support for Palestinians living under occupation. At least 150 soldiers were sent to sea early Tuesday morning to prevent the 10 civilian activists, the three crew members and three journalists on the flotilla from reaching Gaza’s port.
AMY GOODMAN: The Israeli defense spokesman, Captain Barak Raz, said the boat had been boarded peacefully and was towed to the Israeli port of Ashdod.
CAPT. BARAK RAZ: After boarding the boat, which we did in a very professional manner, we ensured the safety of everybody on board. Everything appeared to be OK. They were given food and water. And right now the boat is being led toward the port of Ashdod.
AMY GOODMAN: After the boat was intercepted, 15 passengers were arrested and prevented from seeing their lawyers. Mahmoud Abu Daf, who heads the End of the Siege Committee, condemned the boat’s seizure and subsequent arrests.
MAHMOUD ABU DAF: [translated] We condemn the occupation’s act of seizing the Dignity ship and forcing it to go to the Ashdod port. We consider this a political and military piracy.
AMY GOODMAN: We’re joined now by one of the only journalists who was aboard the ship. Amira Hass is with Ha’aretz. She’s the correspondent for the Occupied Palestinian Territories. She’s the only one of the Israeli journalists to have spent years living in and reporting from Gaza and the West Bank.
Amira, welcome to Democracy Now! Describe what happened on the Dignité, on the boat.
AMIRA HASS: Good morning.
Some 60 miles away from Gaza, we got the signal from an Israeli warship asking where we were heading to. One of the—one on board said, "To Gaza." Then they said, "It’s illegal. It’s not allowed." The person—it’s Professor Vangelis Pissias, the Greek—tried to explain that this is a mission of peace and solidarity. There are no arms, no cargo, just wishing to reach Gaza. And they were replied again by, "No, this is not legal, or not allowed." Immediately then, all communication was jammed. We could not call anymore. We could not get calls anymore. The internet did not work.
And soon after, we saw four commando boats, very quick, very fast boats, approaching us. Masked men were aiming their rifles at us. They were, of course, in uniforms, IDF ( Israeli Defense? Force ) uniforms. They were aiming all sorts of guns that I don’t even know how to name them. There were two cannon—two of them had—each of them had a cannon, a water cannon. Then, three more were added to the four. They distanced a bit, then returned.
At around 2:00, they approached, started to use the water cannon, and shouted something. One of on board, Dror Feiler, who is an Israeli, shouted back in Hebrew. Another activist, Claude Léostic of France, said, "This is—we are on the way to Gaza. This is international water. You have no right to impound us." And yet, they managed to enter on board.
It was not violent as the former flotillas or the boats that were in past years, when they attacked people physically. But the very act, of course, is violent, the very act of—imagine 10 vessels, three warships and seven gunboats, attacking this small bucket. We looked like a bucket rocking in the sea. This was very violent. But physically, we were spared what—the fate that was the one of the Mavi Marmara.
AMY GOODMAN: Amira, can you explain how it was that the—
AMIRA HASS: Yeah?
AMY GOODMAN: Can you explain how it was that this boat, the only one of the 10 of this flotilla—
AMIRA HASS: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: —made it out of Greek waters, when all the others, like the U.S.-flagged _Audacity of Hope, which we covered with reporters on board, were not able to make it out? How did they escape the Greek authorities, who were congratulated by the Israeli authorities for keeping the others?
AMIRA HASS: Because their port of origin was Corse, a French port in Corse, the island of Corse. And so, the Greek authorities could not use all their bureaucratic tricks which they used on the other boats in order to prevent them from leaving.
AMY GOODMAN: This was Corsica?
AMIRA HASS: Still, they were trying. Still, the—they left—on the 25th of June, they left Corse. Then they stayed in the high sea for almost—for more than a week. Then they’re waiting for all the other boats. Then they waited near Crete. Then they entered one of the ports of Crete. Then they managed to get some—also with difficulty, some permits by the Greek coastal guard. The only reason is that it did not originate from Greece. All the rest were subject to very harsh Greek tricks, of course by order of the Israeli government. There is no doubt about it.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about the purpose, what the people on board the bucket, as you described it, the boat, that did get taken in to Ashdod—what their purpose was in challenging the blockade?
AMIRA HASS: The purpose was, of course, to accomplish the mission, even though it was already in Lilliputian measures—to complete the mission or to show the determination of people, not only of those 10 who were on board, of 10 activists, but of the entire group. And as—I have spent about a month with the activists, because at the beginning I was together with the Tahrir, I was staying with the people on Tahrir, the Canadian boat, which had some other delegations. And I’ve learned not only about these 10, but about the majority of the participants, that—in this flotilla, in this very flotilla, that they were really—really are motivated by, I would say, very clear emancipatory values and ideals and personal history of each person, not only in the Palestinian issue, in the Palestinian focalism in freedom, but in different issues that concern equality and rights and freedom. Many on the Canadian boat are involved in the fight for rights of First Nations. There are feminists, of course. There are people who are involved in—people from Australia who are involved in their struggles there against mistreatment and exploitation of refugees. So this was a very clear message of the whole flotilla. This emancipatory message was very clear for me.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, Amira—
AMIRA HASS: But at a certain moment, when the—yes?
JUAN GONZALEZ: Amira, if you can, I would like you to stay on as we bring in another guest.
(2) "Israel has passed a new law outlawing citizens and organizations from advocating for boycotts ( i.e. Boycotts - Divestments - Sanctions ) against any Israeli person or entity. The law is drawing criticism from around the world as an attack on freedom of speech. Under the new law, any person, including journalists, calling for the boycott or divestment of Israel or the occupied West Bank can be sued by the boycott’s targets, without having to prove that they sustained damage. We’re joined by Gal Beckerman, the opinion editor at the Jewish daily newspaper, The Forward, which recently issued an editorial claiming "a boycott can be a legitimate use of non-violent protest to achieve a worthy goal." The editors of the paper then drew a line through the sentence, along with several others, to illustrate the type of reasonable thoughts that will be punishable under the new law.
Gal Beckerman, opinion editor at the Jewish daily newspaper, The Forward, and the author of the book, When They Come for Us, We’ll Be Gone: The Epic Struggle to Save Soviet Jewry.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Israel has passed a new law outlawing citizens and organizations from advocating for boycotts against any Israeli person or entity. The law is drawing criticism from around the world as an attack on freedom of speech. Under the new law, any person, including journalists, calling for the boycott or divestment of Israel or the occupied West Bank can be sued by the boycott’s targets without having to prove that they sustained damage. Israeli legislator Avraham Michaeli supported the law, saying that any call for a boycott is an act of "tortuous malice."
AVRAHAM MICHAELI: [translated] Boycotts are liable to harm business, cultural and academic activities of those subject to the boycotts, and inflict heavy damage, both financial and repetitional on them. In order to prevent such damage, it is proposed that knowingly publishing a call for any sort of boycott on anyone because of their links to state of Israel will be considered an act of tortuous malice subject to tort regulations.
AMY GOODMAN: But dozens of Israeli lawmakers voted against the measure, including Nitzan Horowitz. Horowitz said, "We are dealing with a legislation that is an embarrassment to Israeli democracy and makes people around the world wonder if there is actually a democracy here."
Prominent Israeli columnist Ben Caspit, who opposes boycotts, denounced the new legislation, writing, "This is a blatant and a resounding shutting of people’s mouths. This is a thought police. There is no choice but to use this word. Fascism at its worst is raging," he wrote.
The Jewish daily newspaper, The Forward, issued an editorial claiming "a boycott can be a legitimate use of non-violent protest to achieve a worthy goal." The editors of the paper then drew a line through the sentence, along with several others, to illustrate the type of reasonable thoughts that will be punishable under the new law.
JUAN GONZALEZ: For more, we’re joined by Gal Beckerman, who is the opinion editor at The Forward and the author of When They Come for Us, We’ll Be Gone: The Epic Struggle to Save Soviet Jewry.
Welcome to Democracy Now!
GAL BECKERMAN: Thanks for having me.
JUAN GONZALEZ: And the discussion at the paper before the editorial that you put out?
GAL BECKERMAN: Mm-hmm. Well, you know, we really wanted to try to illustrate how absurd, in a way, this law was, because in some ways it was making illegal, verging on criminal, things that reasonable people, people who are, you know, quote-unquote, "pro-Israel" have been saying for a long time, in fact, you know, by some statistics, a majority of Israelis have been saying, which is that getting—ending the occupation might be a good thing for Israel.
AMY GOODMAN: What does this mean for The Forward? I mean, it wasn’t just symbolic, what you were doing—
GAL BECKERMAN: Right.
AMY GOODMAN: —putting the lines through the words. What exactly does this anti-boycott law mean for people who are writing, for people who are speaking, for people who believe and don’t believe in boycotting Israel?
GAL BECKERMAN: Well, one of the more disturbing things about this law is its vagueness, because it really kind of creates a situation in which, if you are seen to be even hypothetically suggesting that a boycott might be something that could be a legitimate form of a nonviolent protest, that could, under this law, be construed as somehow violating the rights, the civil rights, of, say, a settlement, a settlement that’s producing oranges, you know, who says that they would be hypothetically damaged by a boycott, hypothetically economically damaged, and then you could be sued in civil court. So, the vagueness of it is partly what is so problematic.
JUAN GONZALEZ: I’d like to bring Amira Hass back into the conversation. The reaction among the Israeli public to this law?
AMIRA HASS: Look, I’ve been away when this law was voted for. I think that the majority of Israelis, or many Israelis, accept it. They feel that there was a threat, that it threatens their livelihood and life and the legitimacy of Israel. And so, I think that the Israeli—most of the Israeli lawmakers feel motivated, because they’re also backed by a large constituency.
AMY GOODMAN: You know, it’s interesting, Abe Foxman of the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League, wrote a statement saying, "The Anti-Defamation League has a long history of vigorous opposition to any and all boycotts of Israel, [and] works every day to expose and combat those who seek to cause damage to the Jewish state. We are, however, concerned that this law may unduly impinge on the basic democratic rights of Israelis to freedom of speech and freedom of expression." Gal?
GAL BECKERMAN: Yeah, he—and he’s not alone. I mean, actually, the ADL, interestingly, were one of the first to come out against the law. But really, a very broad swath of American Jewish organizations, very much the mainstream, who have been pro-Israel in every way—you could not impugn their bona fides in terms of their pro-Israel status—came out against this, you know, because I think that it conflicts with these—with American principles of freedom of speech and the notion that even just by saying something, you could be liable.
JUAN GONZALEZ: And isn’t the debate that is continuing to grow on the passing of this law an indication that, to some degree, there is a fear that this could spread rapidly, in terms of on a worldwide basis, because of the continuing inability of the peace process in the Middle East to achieve any kind of long-term solution?
GAL BECKERMAN: I mean, I think there is—I think this law, in some ways, was—to listen to the legislators who kind of came up with it, it was a way of saying that, you know, if Israel is going to ask European countries to fight the BDS movement—Boycott, Divestment and Sanction movement, any manifestation of it—that Israel had to do something itself to show that it was taking the same measures against its own citizens.
One other thing that it’s worth pointing out in this law, and I think why a lot of people reacted the way they did to it, was, it does something else besides this kind of freedom of speech issue. It kind of erases the line, as well, between criticism of Israel and criticism of the occupation, which is very, very critical, because it defines a boycott against Israel as not just against Israel, but lands under Israel’s control, areas under Israel’s control, which means basically that it’s codifying, in effect, the mantra, really, of the extreme right in Israel for a long time now, which is that any criticism or any protest against the settlement enterprise or settlement project is an existential threat to Israel itself. And this makes it, in effect, law. So you have people who are—again, you know, could not be described as anything but pro-Israel, but believe that the way to ensure Israel’s security future, democracy, is by ending the occupation. And now their thoughts, in effect, or their—you know, any implementation of what they think they could do to protest this idea, could be—could land them in court.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, we’ll leave it there. Gal Beckerman, opinion editor at the Jewish daily Forward, here in New York. Also, thank you to Amira Hass, who has just come off the boat. She was on the boat that was intercepted by the Israeli military that was attempting to challenge the Israeli blockade of Gaza. She was speaking to us from her home in Ramallah." - Amy Goodman Juan Gonzalez DemocracyNow 7/21/11
* Neal Conan of National PUBLIC Radio 7/18/11 ( Is this Conan's feeble response to Pulitzer laureate Seymour Hersh's 6/6/11 The New Yorker article? ) endorses, through the once-responsible ( EXPOSED WATERGATE! ) Washington Post, now compromised by the likes of Jackson Diehl, pushing for continuous U. S. Troops in Iraq, TO FOIL IRAN??.
NEAL CONAN, host: And now, The Opinion Page. Under an agreement struck at the end of Bush administration, all U.S. troops must be out of Iraq by the end of this year. As the deadline approaches, Washington Post columnist Jackson Diehl warns of the risks in a piece titled "Retreat Roulette." If we retreat from Iraq, he writes, will Iran take over? Of course, there are risks to staying on as well. Shiite firebrand Muqtada al-Sadr vows to return to armed resistance unless all U.S. forces leave on schedule.
So what are the risks of pulling U.S. forces out of Iraq? What are the risks of keeping them in? 800-989-8255. Email, talk@npr.org. You can also join the conversation on our website. Go to npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE NATION. Jackson Diehl joins us from the studio at The Washington Post. Nice to have you back.
JACKSON DIEHL: My pleasure.
CONAN: And under the agreement, the government of Nouri al-Maliki would have to ask Washington to keep U.S. soldiers in Iraq. The number everybody talks about is 10,000 or so. You argue that this is so important that we need to coax Baghdad to make the right decision. What's at stake?
DIEHL: Well, what's at stake really is whether or not Iran, which has been trying to turn Iraq into a satellite state for several years, will finally get its way. And the reason they would is because without U.S. troops there, Iraq would basically have no military ability to resist Iran on any kind of level; not their militias, which they keep in Iraq, not their conventional forces, not their missiles. And so you're going to have an Iraqi government, which is already a little bit inclined toward Iran, under a lot of pressure to go along with whatever Iran wants.
CONAN: That's not everybody in Iraq. There are a lot of people in Iraq who deeply resent Iran.
DIEHL: There are. But the government, the prime minister, Maliki, has always been a little bit pro-Iranian. His coalition is heavily pro-Iranian because he's dependent on a Shiite party that is basically an Iranian client, Muqtada al-Sadr, who you mentioned. And he's supposed to have a coalition with the other side, the part that resists Iran, but that coalition really hasn't worked out. It's basically split up. So the Sunni parties who would resist Iranian influence are currently out of power at the moment.
CONAN: And you also complained in your piece that the United States, well, the Obama administration has made it clear it's willing to keep another 10,000 troops in Iraq - I think there are about 47,000 there now - to leave 10,000 in Iraq for another year if it is asked by Baghdad. But the new secretary of defense, Leon Panetta, was in Baghdad and, you say, too brusque with our allies.
DIEHL: Well, they have a very ambivalent attitude about it. Military commanders, U.S. military commanders, I think, would very much like to see U.S. troops stay precisely because they're worried about this Iranian problem and the larger Iranian problem in the region. Former Secretary of Defense Gates said publically that he would like to see U.S. troops stay precisely because of the Iranian factor. But the civilian leadership and the Obama administration, the White House in particular, is much more ambivalent.
So they've sort of taken the view, well, we'll think about it if you ask us. And Panetta added in public, make a decision, damn it, were his words. So my thought was those are not the kind of coaxing that's going to get the right decision.
CONAN: The Iraqi government is infamous for its inability to make decisions. The prime minister currently serves as his own defense minister and interior minister because he can't get anybody to agree who those ministers ought to be.
DIEHL: Yeah. And that's precisely the problem. Those ministers should be Sunni ministers. He had agreed that people from the Sunni side would take on those roles, but he's been unwilling to deliver on that. And unless he does deliver on that, unless they can make some kind of internal deal, then their request for U.S. troops is unlikely to be forthcoming.
CONAN: And if that happens and the U.S. forces withdraw, you say all the blood and treasure that we've spent over the past years in this misbegotten enterprise would be effectively wasted.
DIEHL: Well, I think that's the great risk. Now, you hear from the other side, you hear from Obama administration officials I have talked to, that I shouldn't be so worried, that the Iranians themselves are having their economic problems, that they're divided internally, that they're worried about their other clients in the region with the Arab Spring going on. And they really don't have the wherewithal to push too hard on Iraq at the moment. And in any case, they feel fairly confident that Maliki will push back, even if he doesn't have U. S. troops behind him. But I think that's a pretty big risk to take.
CONAN: There is also the question, if you do leave U.S. forces there, some of them are going to be involved in incidents, some of them are going to be killed. There are risks on the other side.
DIEHL: There are risks on the other side. Although, you know, ideally, they would - you hope they would evolve to the point of U.S. troops in South Korea or U.S. troops in West Germany during the Cold War that are there basically as deterrent, as a guarantor but actually don't play that active a role and, therefore, don't suffer that many casualties. But you're right. In the last month, U.S. troops - 15 U.S. troops were killed in Iraq, which was the highest total in two years, and that's precisely because the Iranians ( Evidence? ) are stepping up their attacks.
CONAN: You're talking about a similar role to with - that which the United States plays in South Korea or Germany. Again, those are not controversial because, as you say, there's not combat involved. But stay in Iraq not just another year but decades?
DIEHL: Who knows how long it would be. I think, you know, you have to - I think the thinking would be that you need to stay there long enough that Iraq can defend itself against its neighbors such as Iran and be a truly independent and sovereign country. They're not there yet. They're a few years away from that.
CONAN: And the other factor is Iraq is an oil-rich country. When it gets production back up, it's going to be able to afford to build up its own forces.
DIEHL: Sure. And, of course, one problem with that is that a lot of countries in the region wouldn't necessarily look that favorably on a very strong Iraqi army again - starting with Saudi Arabia, the Persian Gulf countries, Kuwait. You know, they've had their problems with a very strong Iraq before. They don't necessarily want to see a really strong Iraqi army again that's completely unmediated by U.S. influence.
CONAN: Unmediated by U.S. - the United States is going to have this enormous embassy in Baghdad. There are going to be - even if all the U.S. troops leave, there's going to be many thousands of U.S. contractors there, trainers to help build up these Iraqi armed forces. There's going to be plenty of U.S. influence.
DIEHL: There'll be a lot of U.S. influence; there won't be a lot of U.S. influence in the military. One thing people point to now is the fact that you have U.S. officers operating in every level of the Iraqi army as advisers. They're talking to the lieutenant colonels. They're talking to the majors. They're having an influence on exactly what happens on the ground in sensitive areas that still exist, such as in northern Iraq. If you pull all of those people out, in just in a very tangible sense, we won't have the same influence.
CONAN: Here's an email from a listener, David. Are we not providing some protection to the Sunnis that came over to our side? He's talking about the tribal leaders who provided the spirit of the Anbar awakening that did a great deal to help turn the tide in Iraq.
DIEHL: Well, we're providing less and less protection. They've been under a lot of attack, those Sunni leaders; there was a number of them killed recently in Ramadi, very near a U.S. military base. And if our troops leave, again, the protection that we are offering simply through our presence there, kind of psychological protection, won't exist anymore.
CONAN: There is - you talked about the politics in Baghdad. There's politics in Washington too. The president, who's campaigned on the promise to get the United States to wind down the war in Iraq, he needs that request from Baghdad if he's going to keep U.S. forces in a country beyond the agreement negotiated by his predecessor.
DIEHL: Yeah, I think you're right. He does need that, and not only for that reason, not only for his reason, but for Iraqi reasons. We can't, as the United States, be seen to be imposing our troops on Iraq. It's really important that they publicly ask us for it. On the other hand, there are ways for the United States to talk quietly to Iraqis and to try and work out some kind of mutual arrangement so that the Iraqis make the request. And it's another thing to go there and publicly say, damn it. Make it a decision, as Panetta did.
CONAN: As Panetta did. There is still the question of Iraq's internal political problems. As you suggests, Muqtada al-Sadr's party is a critical element in the prime minister's coalition. Without them, he does not have the votes. They say if the American forces aren't out, they're not merely leaving the coalition, they're going back on the streets with weapons in their hands.
DIEHL: Yeah, and I think that's a very difficult thing. The way out of that, really, would be for Maliki, first of all, to go back to the Sunni parties with whom he supposed to have a coalition, to appoint the Sunni defense minister that he promised to appoint a year ago, and then simply to call Muqtada al-Sadr's bluff as he has done in the past. And I think it's - I think, in fact, Maliki would like to do those things. He would like to have U.S. troops. Most people believe he wants to make the request but he needs help getting over these couple of hurdles, especially in forging some kind of coalition with the Sunnis.
CONAN: And you foresee that this American presence, semi-permanent is what I'm hearing from you.
DIEHL: Well, I'm - I don't think anybody is thinking about how long it will last. Everybody is thinking about what's going to happen on January 1st and what's going to happen in 2012. But I think if you think forward, it had - you would need it for several years at least, until Iraq can use the oil wealth that you talked about to build up a credible enough army, until Iraqi politics settled to the point where you're not worried about having an implosion if we pull out.
CONAN: An army, difficult enough to build on its own, an air force is something else entirely. These things take time.
DIEHL: Yeah, although the Iraqis have put in a request to buy F-16s from the United States, so they've - and they're talking about, thanks to their new oil wealth, doubling the order to something like 36 planes, which would give them a fairly credible deterrent.
CONAN: We're talking with Jackson Diehl, deputy editorial page editor and columnist for The Washington Post, whose article "Retreat Roulette, Why is the U.S. Gambling with Iraq's Future?" was published today in The Washington Post.
And if you'd like to join the conversation, what are the risks of pulling all U.S. forces out as they are scheduled to leave at the end of this year? What are the risks of keeping them in? 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org. You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION which is coming to you from NPR News.
And the risks also include the - as you said, this would be a request coming from Iraq. So that would be seen in some quarters as a fig leaf for continued American occupation of Iraq.
DIEHL: Well, it'd certainly be seen that way by the Iranians, and as Secretary Gates said, that would be a good thing, if the Iranians were discomfited by this. But I think many people - other people around the region would be very glad to see this happens, starting with Saudi Arabia, the Persian Gulf states. All around the region, people do not want to see Iranian influence expanded and that's what they're worried about will happen in Iraq.
And they also want to see a stable Iraq. They don't want to see this sort of very fragile, tentative stability that's been established in the last several years come undone again, because it could have the effect of drawing all the countries back into Iraq in to some kind of sectarian war again. So I think it would be difficult to find a government other than Iran around the region that doesn't want to see the United States stay.
CONAN: And possibly Syria. But let's see if we can go next to Richard, and Richard with us from Truro.
RICHARD (Caller): Yeah. I think the risks are in not pulling out. The United States is an incredibly divisive force in that region, has fomented additional divisions within the country of Iraq, has done large - lots to destroy it. It's also spending its own money, which is just - we don't have, killing more people. I think that there's a, you know, an overstated fear of Iran. Instead of dealing with it as a country, this country pretends it's a monster instead of trying to use diplomatic relationships with Iran and dealing with the question, but it doesn't do that.
CONAN: The United States does not have diplomatic relations with Iran.
RICHARD: Well, it's about time to establish them.
CONAN: All right. Thank you very much. Well, Jackson Diehl, that's another approach.
DIEHL: Yeah. And I think, to be fair, I think the Obama administration made a very big effort to reach out to Iran diplomatically at the beginning of the administration. As you remember, they were talking or at least hoping about some kind of a grand bargain with Iran, they would reach some kind of detente in the region. And it just failed utterly because of complete lack of Iranian interest. ( NO! It failed because Obama, the PRESIDENT of the United States was unable to face down Netanyahu . . and, to date, Netanyahu has determined United States policy in the Middle East! ) And one thing you see is that the Iranians have been, in spite of all their own difficulties internally, implacable about pursuing their own interests across the region and about trying to push the United States out.
What they're doing now in Iraq is really extraordinarily aggressive. They are sending sophisticated munitions, sophisticated rockets, sophisticated roadside bombs to militias they control in Iran to use against, you know, Iraqi force...
CONAN: In Iraq.
DIEHL: I'm sorry ( The excitable Diehl is confusing the Israeli agents in Iran with genuine Iraqis who want the U. S. OUT OF IRAQ! ...but Conan rescues him. ) - in Iraq - to use against the U.S. and Iraqi forces. They are very aggressively basically waging war against the United States and trying to drive us out of there.
CONAN: Here's an idea submitted David in Fresno by email: Thinking out of the box, he writes: the Kurds are very much friends and admirers of the USA. Establish an independent Kurdistan in the north, place X amount of USA troops in Kurdistan, help Kurdistan become a real example of democracy in the Middle East, sit back and see what happens.
DIEHL: The Kurds would love that. That's been their dream for years.
CONAN: 51st state, yes.
DIEHL: Yes, that the United States would move troops to Kurdistan, support an independent Kurdistan and write off the rest of the country. And, of course, sometimes that looks attractive - a few years ago, before the surge, when Iraq was seen in almost chaos, it looked like an attractive option to some people here in Washington, that at least you could get one part of the country stabilized and friendly to the United States. But I think we're past that point now.
CONAN: Let's go next to Mike and Mike is on the line from Tucson.
MIKE (Caller): Yes. Basically, I think that we should completely get out of there. The reason this whole chaos has been created was because of us occupying that country. And as we moved there, al-Qaida, you know, came right after us into that country, and they have done more damage than what the Americans have done. Literally, this whole in-fighting, this whole killing, which has killed over 100,000, has been because of the al-Qaida following the American troops in there. So I think we should completely get out, leave it to the Iranians to clean it up, since they will do that. You know, if they want to have a strong ally in the Middle East, meaning Iraq, they will help the Iraqi government to clean up the al-Qaida of all its elements and that would be the end of all the in-fighting.
CONAN: End of all the in-fighting is probably an over-optimistic assessment. Jackson Diehl?
DIEHL: Yeah. I think if Iran went in and really aggressively tried to pursue the Sunni minority there, you'd have a return of, kind of, a very, very, very major sectarian blood-letting and internal civil war there. And I think what actually would happen is the Iranian will try to act more subtlety. They'll try and use the current government, the Maliki government, as their proxy and to influence them and to not to have them take dramatic steps against the Sunnis. In fact, they'll probably advise them not to do that, but at the same time to support Iranian interests more broadly across the region where - in places where Iran is trying to establish influence in the Persian Gulf, for example.
You know, the Iraqi government has already rather spoken out on behalf of the Bahraini Shiites who have risen up against their government. Imagine if you have a government in Baghdad that is pretty much an Iranian client, then, for example, you'll see much more aggressive Iraqi action and support of Shiites in the Persian Gulf.
MIKE: I'm sorry. I just want to make an...
CONAN: And you have to make it very quickly. We're running out of time, Mike.
MIKE: Yes, yes. I just want to say that we have gone over there, 5,000 miles away, and we dictate to all the neighboring countries not to interfere with Iraqi affairs. Whereas, the Iranians are their next-door neighbors and, you know, we condemn them for interfering with their affairs.
CONAN: Mike, thanks. I'm going to have to leave it there, but we appreciate the phone call. Jackson Diehl, thanks very much for your time today.
DIEHL: My pleasure. Thank you.
CONAN: Jackson Diehl, deputy editorial page editor and columnist for The Washington Post, where his piece on Iraq ran today. There's a link to it at our website. Go to npr.org., click on TALK OF THE NATION.
- Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 7/25/11 -
"Iran Renews Accusations of U.S., Israeli Plot Following Scientist Assassination
Iran has accused the United States and Israel of collaborating to assassinate a scientist with potential links to the nation’s nuclear program. Darioush Rezainejad was gunned down outside of a kindergarten in Tehran on Saturday as he went to pick up his daughter. While his ties to Iran’s nuclear program remain unclear, his death bore similarities to the killing and attempted killing of several other Iranian nuclear specialists. In November, men on motorcycles attached a bomb to a vehicle owned by the head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization. On the same day, Majid Shahriari, manager of a major nuclear project, was killed, and his wife and driver were wounded, in a similar operation. In January of 2010, Iranian particle physicist, Masoud Ali Mohammadi, died after a bomb attached to his motorcycle was detonated by remote control. In addition to the killings, the United States and Israel have been accused of perpetrating a sophisticated cyber attack against Iran’s nuclear program. Last year, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad admitted the so-called Stuxnet computer worm damaged a number of centrifuges used to enrich uranium at Iran’s nuclear reactors." - Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 7/25/11
- DAVID E. SANGER, William J. Broad - PROPAGANDA
"Survivor of Attack Accelerates Iran's Effort to Produce Nuclear Material"
WASHINGTON - "Eight months after he narrowly survived an assassination attempt on the streets of Tehran, Fereydoon Abbasi, the nuclear physicist whom Iran’s mullahs have put in charge of the country’s Atomic Energy Organization, is presiding over what intelligence officials in several countries...
(1) ( Israel & AIPAC's United States! )
...describe as an unexpected quickening of Iran’s production of nuclear material.
The selection of Dr. Abbasi earlier this year was itself a clear message to the West. As a university scientist, he was barred from traveling outside Iran by the United Nations Security Council because of evidence that his main focus was on how to build nuclear weapons...
( "evidence" manufactured by Israel & United States )
...rather than power plants. But in recent weeks he has publicly declared that his country is preparing to triple its production of a type of nuclear fuel that moves it far closer to the ability to produce bomb-grade material in a hurry.
Filtering out the hyperbole surrounding recent proclamations about Iran’s tangible progress is always difficult, especially at a time when the country is determined to show that neither the Stuxnet computer worm, which crippled part of its nuclear infrastructure last year...
( Israeli ACT OF WAR? )
...nor Western sanctions have proved to be more than modest setbacks. Dr. Abbasi himself is rarely seen...
( Note paragraph 17 of this article! )
...or heard outside of Iran.
But international nuclear inspectors and American officials say that all the evidence points to the imminent installation of centrifuges at an underground nuclear plant on a military base near the city of Qum. Iran revealed the existence of the plant in 2009, after learning that the United States and European powers were about to announce that they had discovered the complex, deep inside the Iranian base.
What concerns inspectors and European and American officials is Iran’s announced effort to increase production of uranium enriched to nearly 20 percent purity....
( WEAPONS GRADE URANIUM REQUIRES 90 PERCENT PURITY! )
...Iran insists that it needs that fuel for a medical research reactor. But last week William Hague, the British foreign minister, dismissed that assertion as a cover story.
'When enough 20 percent enriched uranium is accumulated at the underground facility at Qum,' Mr. Hague said in the British newspaper The Guardian, 'it would take only two or three months of additional work to convert this into weapons-grade material.'
Outside analysts note that during Dr. Abbasi’s brief tenure in his new job, Iran’s top leaders have focused on showing that they have overcome multiple setbacks, inflicted by what they suspect to have been covert actions by the United States and Israel, and broad economic sanctions.
'The evidence is there that they are accelerating,' said Mark Fitzpatrick, an Iran expert and the director of the nonproliferation and disarmament program at the International Institute...
( Is the "INSTITUTE" concerned with Israel's 200+ Nuclear Arsenal? )
...for Strategic Studies in London. 'They have increased the production of uranium, they have increased the number of centrifuges they have spinning, they are putting in a larger number of second-generation centrifuges.'
Senior Obama administration officials with access to the intelligence say they concur with that assessment, but they do not sound alarmed. They argue that Iran’s continued reliance on an older, unreliable centrifuge model shows that it is having trouble making the leap to more sophisticated and efficient models. 'They’ve talked about moving up the line for years, before Abbasi got the job,' said one senior official.
The White House’s silence is notable because President Obama built much of his Middle East policy, before the recent Arab uprisings, on organizing other countries in the region to halt Iran’s nuclear progress. The administration commented on the most recent Iranian announcements only when asked.
'Iran is prohibited from installing or operating any centrifuges as a result of the U.N. sanctions that have been imposed upon it,' Tommy Vietor, the spokesman for the National Security Council, said when asked about Mr. Abbasi’s recent announcements. 'Provocative behavior of this sort reinforces the need for countries to implement fully their international sanctions obligations with respect to Iran.'
Diplomats say that Dr. Abbasi’s approach to nuclear diplomacy is a stark contrast with that of his predecessor at the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Ali Akbar Salehi. Mr. Salehi, a graduate of M.I.T. with a degree in nuclear engineering, is a polished diplomat who speaks fluent English and handles the news media with ease.
Dr. Abbasi is 'not as skillful — or as comfortable,' said a diplomat in Vienna who recently saw him in action when he visited Austria for a nuclear safety conference. 'He’s very stiff with the press.' Since Dr. Abbasi has become one of the country’s top government officials, he has received periodic exemptions from the United Nations travel ban.
According to Mashreghnews, an Iranian news Web site, Dr. Abbasi holds a doctorate in nuclear physics and has been a member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps since Iran was founded in 1979. The Revolutionary Guards run the country’s nuclear weapons research effort and for years has deflected demands from inspectors for details about what are suspected of being experiments that would suggest work on a weapon.
In March 2007, the Security Council put Dr. Abbasi on its sanctions list because of allegations that he had ties to the Iranian nuclear effort, which poses a diplomatic problem: the man insisting that Iran’s effort is entirely peaceful is suspected of working on elements of weapons experimentation.
The United Nations described Dr. Abbasi as a senior scientist in the Ministry of Defense who was 'working closely' with Mohsen Fakhrizadeh — an officer in the Revolutionary Guards considered by Western intelligence to be a leader in Tehran’s effort to acquire nuclear arms.
( The aforementioned paragraph #17 )
Mr. Fakhrizadeh has not been seen in public in years. Dr. Abbasi’s experience may explain why: driving to work on Nov. 29, 2010, Dr. Abbasi saw a motorcyclist plant a bomb on the door of his car. He escaped, pulling his wife with him, seconds before it detonated. A separate attack that day killed one of his colleagues. Iran variously blamed the Mossad and the United States.
As the leader of Iran’s effort to enrich uranium, Dr. Abbasi has overseen the stabilization of the plant at Natanz, in the desert. And, at a hollowed-out mountain near Qum, he is spearheading the expansion of Iran’s enrichment program into underground halls.
Diplomats said the mountain site, known as Fordow, was about to receive its first centrifuges — machines that spin fast to purify uranium. In June, Dr. Abbasi announced that Iran would triple production of its most concentrated form of uranium and shift some production to Fordow from Natanz.
'It’s a real policy escalation to triple the production,' the Viennese diplomat noted. 'It’s provocative.'" - SANGER & Broad N Y Times 7/23/11
[ - Latest Israeli ACTS of WAR Against Iran - ]
- Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 7/27/11
Israel, U.S. Denounce Palestinian Statehood Bid at United Nations
The Obama administration and the Israeli government are continuing a vocal campaign to quash the Palestinian statehood bid at the United Nations. Palestinians are seeking a vote in September that would recognize an independent Palestinian state in the Occupied Territories. Speaking before the U.N. Security Council on Tuesday, Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations, Ron Prosor, as well as deputy U.S. envoy Rosemary DiCarlo, offered matching positions.
Ron Prosor: "First, let me state clearly, unilateral actions will not bring peace to our region. Like a false idol, the Palestinian initiatives at the United Nations may be superficially attractive to some, yet they distract from the true path to peace."
Rosemary DiCarlo: "Let there be no doubt, symbolic actions to isolate Israel at the United Nations in September will not create an independent Palestinian state. The United States will not support unilateral campaigns at the United Nations in September or any other time."
Both the House and Senate have threatened to cut off aid if Palestinians continue with their statehood bid. Also addressing the Security Council, Palestinian envoy Riyad Mansour said Israel’s refusal to end the occupation remains the lone obstacle to peace.
Riyad Mansour: "We have fulfilled our responsibilities and are ready to govern ourselves. The only remaining obstacle is Israelis’ 44-year military occupation. Our people have legitimate rights, needs and demands, and it is our duty to listen and to act responsibly to advance their just cause. We cannot keep waiting for Israel to negotiate in good faith, an almost impossible matter so long as the occupier continues to be absolved of its obligations under international law and as long as might is permitted to trump right."
Israel Raids Palestinian Children’s Theater
In the Occupied Territories, witnesses say Israeli troops have raided a popular theater for Palestinian children in the West Bank town of Jenin. Israeli troops reportedly broke windows and arrested the theater’s director, as well as a member of its board. The Freedom Theater has helped Palestinian youths deal with the hardships of life under Israeli occupation by expressing themselves through the arts. The theater’s founder, Juliano Mer-Khamis, was killed in April by masked gunmen. - Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 7/27/11
Of importance to these United States [...and directly related to the fiasco in the Middle East, caused by the feckless cupidity of the George W. Bush administration, which not only squandered the multi-billion dollar surplus inherited from the Clinton/Gore Administration, but then proceeded to abandon Afghanistan (which had perpetrated 9/11) and waged an optional battle and occupation against Iraq (Israel's initial "existential" obstacle in the Middle East), but without any funding nor concern for looming federal debt debacle! ], indeed the very future of this nation which has provided a beacon of light for the rest of the world; this hallmark of democratic governance has now been put at risk by careless, thoughtless Americans. Time is short!
- Here, thoughtful political adversaries are in total agreement -
Jim Lehrer's PBS NewsHour:
JIM LEHRER: "And to the analysis of Shields and Gerson, syndicated columnist Mark Shields, Washington Post columnist Michael Gerson. David Brooks is away tonight.
And a few moments ago, the House of Representatives did, in fact, pass the Boehner bill by a vote of 218-210. They needed 216 to pass. All -- there were no Democrats among those 218.
Michael, what words would you use to describe, as a result of that vote a few moments ago, where we are now?
MICHAEL GERSON: Well, I think it would be fascinating, if it weren't so frightening.
We have a situation where about 10 percent of the Republican Caucus in the House wanted to humiliate their own speaker in order to get a vote on a balanced budget amendment that is symbolic and completely irrelevant to the process. I think that's a sign of weakness on the Republican part.
It undermined their negotiating status in the Senate. I think Harry Reid now has a lot of cards. I think he's gone to Mitch McConnell and said, what do your people need to support my approach, the Reid approach? And that's likely to be the main approach that's taken, and then the House will have to look at it again. And they have to pass it with Democratic support.
JIM LEHRER: Mark, what happened? What's happened?
MARK SHIELDS: Well, the irony, Jim, is, one week ago, we were on the cusp of $4 trillion in deficit reduction. We are not tonight anywhere near that. At the same time...
JIM LEHRER: Yes, this -- the bill, the Boehner bill has $917 billion over 10 years.
MARK SHIELDS: That's right, and then a trigger...
JIM LEHRER: Then it triggers more.
MARK SHIELDS: ... to go through this again in six months, which is really appealing, attractive.
JIM LEHRER: Fun thing to think about.
MARK SHIELDS: Yes, I think that is its most endearing feature.
(LAUGHTER)
MARK SHIELDS: But -- and at the same time, it also included -- the deal that the speaker and the president worked on -- lower cuts in budget spending right now, when you can least afford budget cutting right now, because we have got an economy, as we learned today, that is struggling, that is wounded, that is sluggish, that's hurting.
And there's no -- you can make an ideological argument to cut spending, but at this time, you cannot make an economic argument to do it. So I think, as it heads to the Senate, I think Mitch McConnell will emerge. Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell are the last two standing trees in this forest.
A week ago, it was the president of the United States and the speaker of the House. They have both been effectively sidelined by the events of the past week.
JIM LEHRER: Do you agree it's up to those two guys now?
MICHAEL GERSON: No, I completely agree.
I think that Sen. Reid has the initiative right now. I think that there will be modifications in his approach in order to get some Republican senators. But that's the likely course here.
But I do think it's a real challenge to Boehner, who has shown weakness, but now may have to get, I don't know, 60-some Democratic votes, at least, in order to pass whatever happens. That's going to be itself a pretty difficult task.
JIM LEHRER: You're assuming something comes out of the Senate and goes back to the House.
MICHAEL GERSON: Back to the House. And there won't be much time to make any adjustments in this process. We're on a tight time frame.
JIM LEHRER: Explain -- pick up on what you said earlier. Just explain it one more time, while this whole constitutional amendment thing is symbolic and it will have no effect at all on anything we're talking about now, that they're talking about.
MICHAEL GERSON: No, I completely agree with that.
You're instructing the Senate. The House is instructing the Senate to have a two-thirds vote in order to get a future increase in the debt deal for a constitutional amendment. I don't think you can instruct the Senate to do a two-thirds vote on the sun rising in the east effectively. They're not going to accept that under any circumstance. And so it was entirely symbolic.
JIM LEHRER: And that, even if they did get that vote, it then has to go to the -- there's a long process to amend the Constitution of the United States.
MARK SHIELDS: It's illusionary. It's -- they're kidding themselves.
But it's a fig leaf that -- to bring on conservatives who are against the original plan, to give them sort of a rationale that they could go back to their people and say, we got this balanced budget.
Jim, it doesn't even say -- it doesn't say what the balanced budget amendment is. It says a joint resolution called a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. It doesn't say what it is, whether it requires a two-thirds vote, as one of the proposed ones did. To raise any taxes at all, a two-thirds vote would be required.
So it's ludicrous, if it weren't so reckless. We're trifling right now with the well-being of the United States economy, which is in tough shape, and with the good faith and credit of this country, which has never been tampered with in 222 years.
JIM LEHRER: All right. How does Reid play this now? What can he say to McConnell to get -- he's got -- he's only got 53 Democrats.
MARK SHIELDS: That's right.
JIM LEHRER: Reid does. So he has got to get seven more, because he's got to have 60 in order to make this thing work. Where is he going to get those seven?
MARK SHIELDS: Well, and is he going to be sure to get all those Democrats, too? Because Democrats who are up for tough races, do they want to vote for something like this?
JIM LEHRER: Yes. Yes. Yes.
MARK SHIELDS: Harry -- this is what Harry Reid was born to do. Harry Reid is one of the great inside players. And he's not a compelling public presence on a platform, but he understands it.
Michael and I had a session with him, what, three weeks ago, and I got to tell you, he was clairvoyant.
JIM LEHRER: You mean you had a -- you just sat down and talked to him.
MARK SHIELDS: Just the two of us.
JIM LEHRER: Just the two of you.
MICHAEL GERSON: And he described exactly what would happen.
MARK SHIELDS: What would happen.
JIM LEHRER: Oh, is that right?
MICHAEL GERSON: It was really pretty extraordinary.
MARK SHIELDS: I mean, it was -- and this was the time when the president, and the summit, and all these big deals, and Biden and everything else.
And he just understands. So he's got to get something -- not only...
(LAUGHING)
JIM LEHRER: In other words, just to make sure I understand what you are saying, what you guys are saying...
MARK SHIELDS: Sure.
JIM LEHRER: ... he told you all that it's going to come down to something like this?
MARK SHIELDS: He said there will be no -- he said there would be no -- nobody will touch a single gray hair on the beautiful head of Medicare or Social Security and there will be no revenues, because the Republicans won't vote for revenues.
MICHAEL GERSON: That's the way it worked out.
MARK SHIELDS: And that's where we are right now. That's what president endorsed essentially last Friday, when he endorsed the Reid plan.
JIM LEHRER: All right, now, what can Mitch McConnell do? Can Mitch McConnell turn his back on the Boehner bill on behalf of Republicans?
MICHAEL GERSON: Well, I think to some extent, he has to. It's not the basis of the negotiation anymore. House Republicans added a poison pill that discredited this...
JIM LEHRER: Would that be a poison pill for McConnell?
MICHAEL GERSON: The constitutional amendment?
JIM LEHRER: Yes.
MICHAEL GERSON: I don't think -- I think it's a nonstarter.
There are some big issues here.
JIM LEHRER: Sure.
MICHAEL GERSON: The defense spending issues are going to be very large, I think, for McConnell, because the Reid approach has some serious cuts in defense spending.
And then, you know, I think -- but McConnell's already proposed some ideas that are likely to be incorporated in the Reid -- in the Reid bill that will allow the president to do kind of a second tranche ( i.e. sharp slice french ) of increases in the debt limit without Congress having much of an influence over it.
MARK SHIELDS: Congress voting against it.
MICHAEL GERSON: Yes, Congress would have to vote against it.
So I think that the elements of a deal are here. You know, the problem from my perspective is, this is the easy stuff, because it doesn't deal with taxes, because it doesn't deal with entitlements. The question is -- it doesn't even solve the deficit problem. But it's been such a problem just to get the easy stuff.
The question is that the rating agencies, the credit rating agencies and others have, can they do the harder stuff right down the road? That, I think, is the real difficulty.
MARK SHIELDS: One of the things that hasn't been addressed, Jim, is -- and Republicans stand guilty of this, quite frankly -- this is the FIRST TIME ANYBODY HAS EVER DONE THIS with the -- RAISING THE DEBT CEILING!
JIM LEHRER: Use it to do...
MARK SHIELDS: Use it as a non-negotiable terrorist demand. And if anybody...
JIM LEHRER: Non-negotiable terrorist demand?
MARK SHIELDS: That's essentially -- that's essentially what was done in the House of Representatives.
If you put a penny...
JIM LEHRER: Paul Krugman in The New York Times this morning called it extortion.
MARK SHIELDS: Well, if you put a penny of revenue, a penny of revenue, if you even suggest that a registered nurse in an emergency room and a New York firefighter shouldn't pay taxes TWICE THE RATE OF A HEDGE FUND MANAGER, we ( THE REPUBLICANS ) leave. We're not going to be a party to that. That's -- that's basically where they were.
But more important than that, to use this vehicle, to think this is only a one-time precedent and that next time that there's a Democratic Congress and a Republican president that this isn't going to be used again vengefully, I mean, you talk about the poisoning of the Washington well, THIS DOES IT IN SPADES.
JIM LEHRER: Do you agree; the well is poisoned beyond...
MICHAEL GERSON: I think it helps poison the well.
This is a reflection of the 2010 election, where Republicans...
MICHAEL GERSON: ... got a lot of ideological momentum, and they were not going to accept taxes in this process.
I think that there is fault on both sides here. I think Democrats have sat back and hoped that Republicans would self-destruct, which is a pretty good bet. I think that Republicans have been too ideologically divided to support their own speaker in the negotiations.
So it's a serious problem in our whole political class. If you were a Martian coming into this process, you would see a dysfunctional political process, where nothing is really working. The world is looking at this, the Eurozone in crisis, the American political system not particularly functional.
There's not much economic leadership on a global level right now. Those are serious things.
JIM LEHRER: But, if you all -- if you're right, then who exercises leadership over the next three days and gets this thing finally done?
MICHAEL GERSON: Well, I think it's the Senate. And there are a lot of adults in the Senate. That's the place that often we go to for this kind of...
JIM LEHRER: So you think it will be done?
MICHAEL GERSON: I do. I think it's ugly, but likely.
MARK SHIELDS: Remember this. Mitch McConnell has kept a low profile, in large part because he didn't -- in no way wanted to be seen as sabotaging Boehner's plan. But now it is -- it is.
JIM LEHRER: But he has been supportive of the Boehner plan, rhetorically.
MARK SHIELDS: But that's what I mean. He has been totally supportive. But he knows now it's dead on arrival.
JIM LEHRER: Yes.
MARK SHIELDS: So, it is. It's Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell. It comes down to them.
But whatever they pass in the Senate, they're going to have to get, I would say, close to 100 Democrats in the House, because they're not going to lose -- they're going to lose half the Republicans, Boehner is. And to get them...
JIM LEHRER: With the new...
MARK SHIELDS: There has got to be revenues in there. You are not going to get -- you might 30 Democrats to vote for it just on the basis of it's the right thing to do.
You're not going to get the necessary number of House Democrats to vote for it without revenues in there somewhere. And that is going to be a real stumbling block for a lot of Republicans. And it's going to be tough work in the Senate.
MICHAEL GERSON: I would only add that the big economic news of the week may have been the revision downward of the economic growth number, OK?
JIM LEHRER: Yes.
MICHAEL GERSON: That is a long-term political problem for President Obama. It makes the next set of jobs figures likely to be really disturbing.
It also complicates the deficit problem in the future, because all of these plans assume maybe three percent growth. We're not even at two percent growth in our economy. These are going to be a serious complicating factor in our politics moving forward.
JIM LEHRER: And there was another thing that you wrote about in your column today, the Pew -- the new Pew study on the gap, the wealth gap of the United States. It has gotten larger and larger. That's what we should be talking about tonight, right, instead of this other stuff, theoretically, at least?
MARK SHIELDS: Well, Michael is absolutely right. And his column is well worth reading.
But when the top one percent in this country economically control more wealth than the bottom 90 percent, it tells you something about a gap there.
MICHAEL GERSON: In the 1980s, the gap between assets between whites and African-American families was about 12-1, which was bad enough. It's about 20-1 now.
That's really not a sustainable circumstance over the long run for the justice or even the stability of a society. It's the kind of thing that you do want to address in public policy. Get reasonable Democrats, get reasonable Republicans to do it. It's almost inconceivable in the current political environment.
MARK SHIELDS: This whole experience, Jim, of this deficit and debt ceiling has so diminished everybody involved in it.
I saw embarrassment, total professional and personal embarrassment, on the part of members of Congress this week that they were a part of this. And that diminishes confidence and trust and optimism about the government's ability to do anything. That's one of the casualties of this.
JIM LEHRER: And does it also, to use your word, Michael, poison the atmosphere for 2012, an election year, presidential and otherwise?
MICHAEL GERSON: No, I agree with that. I think that it creates an impression that our whole political class is incapable of dealing with the fundamental problems of our country.
Now, a Republican presidential candidate will come into this, which doesn't exist in this process...
JIM LEHRER: Sure.
MICHAEL GERSON: ... try to propose some answers, try to get some momentum. But I think it's...
JIM LEHRER: It's going to be there. It's going to be there no matter what.
MICHAEL GERSON: Yes.
JIM LEHRER: Yes. OK. Thank you both very much.
Good to see you again, Michael.
You, too, Mark.
MARK SHIELDS: Thank you, Jim." - Lehrer Shields Gerson PBS NewsHour 7/29/11
THE BOTTOM LINE
"The Centrist Cop-Out
The facts of the crisis over the debt ceiling aren’t complicated. Republicans have, in effect, taken America hostage, threatening to undermine the economy and disrupt the essential business of government unless they get policy concessions they would never have been able to enact through legislation. And Democrats — who would have been justified in rejecting this extortion altogether — have, in fact, gone a long way toward meeting those Republican demands.
As I said, it’s not complicated. Yet many people in the news media apparently can’t bring themselves to acknowledge this simple reality. News reports portray the parties as equally intransigent; pundits fantasize about some kind of “centrist” uprising, as if the problem was too much partisanship on both sides.
Some of us have long complained about the cult of “balance,” the insistence on portraying both parties as equally wrong and equally at fault on any issue, never mind the facts. I joked long ago that if one party declared that the earth was flat, the headlines would read “Views Differ on Shape of Planet.” But would that cult still rule in a situation as stark as the one we now face, in which one party is clearly engaged in blackmail and the other is dickering over the size of the ransom?
The answer, it turns out, is yes. And this is no laughing matter: The cult of balance has played an important role in bringing us to the edge of disaster. For when reporting on political disputes always implies that both sides are to blame, there is no penalty for extremism. Voters won’t punish you for outrageous behavior if all they ever hear is that both sides are at fault.
Let me give you an example of what I’m talking about. As you may know, President Obama initially tried to strike a “Grand Bargain” with Republicans over taxes and spending. To do so, he not only chose not to make an issue of G.O.P. extortion, he offered extraordinary concessions on Democratic priorities: an increase in the age of Medicare eligibility, sharp spending cuts and only small revenue increases. As The Times’s Nate Silver pointed out, Mr. Obama effectively staked out a position that was not only far to the right of the average voter’s preferences, it was if anything a bit to the right of the average Republican voter’s preferences.
But Republicans rejected the deal. So what was the headline on an Associated Press analysis of that breakdown in negotiations? “Obama, Republicans Trapped by Inflexible Rhetoric.” A Democratic president who bends over backward to accommodate the other side — or, if you prefer, who leans so far to the right that he’s in danger of falling over — is treated as being just the same as his utterly intransigent opponents. Balance!
Which brings me to those “centrist” fantasies.
Many pundits view taking a position in the middle of the political spectrum as a virtue in itself. I don’t. Wisdom doesn’t necessarily reside in the middle of the road, and I want leaders who do the right thing, not the centrist thing.
But for those who insist that the center is always the place to be, I have an important piece of information: We already have a centrist president. Indeed, Bruce Bartlett, who served as a policy analyst in the Reagan administration, argues that Mr. Obama is in practice a moderate conservative.
Mr. Bartlett has a point. The president, as we’ve seen, was willing, even eager, to strike a budget deal that strongly favored conservative priorities. His health reform was very similar to the reform Mitt Romney installed in Massachusetts. Romneycare, in turn, closely followed the outlines of a plan originally proposed by the right-wing Heritage Foundation. And returning tax rates on high-income Americans to their level during the Roaring Nineties is hardly a socialist proposal.
True, Republicans insist that Mr. Obama is a leftist seeking a government takeover of the economy, but they would, wouldn’t they? The facts, should anyone choose to report them, say otherwise.
So what’s with the buzz about a centrist uprising? As I see it, it’s coming from people who recognize the dysfunctional nature of modern American politics, but refuse, for whatever reason, to acknowledge the one-sided role of Republican extremists in making our system dysfunctional. And it’s not hard to guess at their motivation. After all, pointing out the obvious truth gets you labeled as a shrill partisan, not just from the right, but from the ranks of self-proclaimed centrists.
But making nebulous calls for centrism, like writing news reports that always place equal blame on both parties, is a big cop-out — a cop-out that only encourages more bad behavior. The problem with American politics right now is Republican extremism, and if you’re not willing to say that, you’re helping make that problem worse." - PAUL KRUGMAN N Y Times 7/29/11
THE PRESIDENT SURRENDERS
"A deal to raise the federal debt ceiling is in the works. If it goes through, many commentators will declare that disaster was avoided. But they will be wrong.
For the deal itself, given the available information, is a disaster, and not just for President Obama and his party. It will damage an already depressed economy; it will probably make America’s long-run deficit problem worse, not better; and most important, by demonstrating that raw extortion works and carries no political cost, it will take America a long way down the road to banana-republic status.
Start with the economics. We currently have a deeply depressed economy. We will almost certainly continue to have a depressed economy all through next year. And we will probably have a depressed economy through 2013 as well, if not beyond.
The worst thing you can do in these circumstances is slash government spending, since that will depress the economy even further. Pay no attention to those who invoke the confidence fairy, claiming that tough action on the budget will reassure businesses and consumers, leading them to spend more. It doesn’t work that way, a fact confirmed by many studies of the historical record.
Indeed, slashing spending while the economy is depressed won’t even help the budget situation much, and might well make it worse. On one side, interest rates on federal borrowing are currently very low, so spending cuts now will do little to reduce future interest costs. On the other side, making the economy weaker now will also hurt its long-run prospects, which will in turn reduce future revenue. So those demanding spending cuts now are like medieval doctors who treated the sick by bleeding them, and thereby made them even sicker.
And then there are the reported terms of the deal, which amount to an abject surrender on the part of the president. First, there will be big spending cuts, with no increase in revenue. Then a panel will make recommendations for further deficit reduction — and if these recommendations aren’t accepted, there will be more spending cuts.
Republicans will supposedly have an incentive to make concessions the next time around, because defense spending will be among the areas cut. But the G.O.P. has just demonstrated its willingness to risk financial collapse unless it gets everything its most extreme members want. Why expect it to be more reasonable in the next round?
In fact, Republicans will surely be emboldened by the way Mr. Obama keeps folding in the face of their threats. He surrendered last December, extending all the Bush tax cuts; he surrendered in the spring when they threatened to shut down the government; and he has now surrendered on a grand scale to raw extortion over the debt ceiling. Maybe it’s just me, but I see a pattern here.
Did the president have any alternative this time around? Yes.
First of all, he could and should have demanded an increase in the debt ceiling back in December. When asked why he didn’t, he replied that he was sure that Republicans would act responsibly. Great call.
And even now, the Obama administration could have resorted to legal maneuvering to sidestep the debt ceiling, using any of several options. In ordinary circumstances, this might have been an extreme step. But faced with the reality of what is happening, namely raw extortion on the part of a party that, after all, only controls one house of Congress, it would have been totally justifiable.
At the very least, Mr. Obama could have used the possibility of a legal end run to strengthen his bargaining position. Instead, however, he ruled all such options out from the beginning.
But wouldn’t taking a tough stance have worried markets? Probably not. In fact, if I were an investor I would be reassured, not dismayed, by a demonstration that the president is willing and able to stand up to blackmail on the part of right-wing extremists. Instead, he has chosen to demonstrate the opposite.
Make no mistake about it, what we’re witnessing here is a catastrophe on multiple levels.
It is, of course, a political catastrophe for Democrats, who just a few weeks ago seemed to have Republicans on the run over their plan to dismantle Medicare; now Mr. Obama has thrown all that away. And the damage isn’t over: there will be more choke points where Republicans can threaten to create a crisis unless the president surrenders, and they can now act with the confident expectation that he will.
In the long run, however, Democrats won’t be the only losers. What Republicans have just gotten away with calls our whole system of government into question. After all, how can American democracy work if whichever party is most prepared to be ruthless, to threaten the nation’s economic security, gets to dictate policy? AND THE ANSWER IS, MAYBE IT CAN’T." - Paul Krugman N Y Times 8/1/11
- The last four paragraphs of Mr. Krugman's 8/8/11 "Credibility, Chutzpah And Debt" -
"No, what makes America look unreliable isn’t budget math, it’s politics. And please, let’s not have the usual declarations that both sides are at fault. Our problems are almost entirely one-sided — specifically, they’re caused by the rise of an extremist right that is prepared to create repeated crises rather than give an inch on its demands.
The truth is that as far as the straight economics goes, America’s long-run fiscal problems shouldn’t be all that hard to fix. It’s true that an aging population and rising health care costs will, under current policies, push spending up faster than tax receipts. But the United States has far higher health costs than any other advanced country, and very low taxes by international standards. If we could move even part way toward international norms on both these fronts, our budget problems would be solved.
So why can’t we do that? Because we have a powerful political movement in this country that screamed 'death panels' in the face of modest efforts to use Medicare funds more effectively, and preferred to risk financial catastrophe rather than agree to even a penny in additional revenues.
The real question facing America, even in purely fiscal terms, isn’t whether we’ll trim a trillion here or a trillion there from deficits. It is whether the extremists now blocking ANY KIND OF RESPONSIBLE POLICY CAN BE DEFEATED AND MARGINALIZED." - Paul Krugman N Y Times 8/8/11
We are hearing rumblings from our audience that GOPBIAS.INFO has missed a crucial major exposition: That possibly because of our esteem for Paul Krugman (1); Seymour M. Hersh (2); Nicholas D. Kristof (3); and David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker (4); that we have overlooked ethnicity as the pronounced factor in the selection of our sources, i.e. they are primarily Jewish and, as such, have a pronounced bias favoring Israel vis a vis our United States of America ( Has our audience forgotten that much of the turmoil in today's world is directly related to our madness in attacking, invading and occupying Iraq, all for Israel (5)! ) .
[ (1) "The President Surrenders" & "Credibility, Chutzpah and Debt"
(2) "Iran And The Bomb" ( The New Yorker 6/6/11 + 7 pages of copy )
(3) "Seeking Balance On Mideast"; OP-ED in 8/4/11 N Y Times
(4) David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker
(5) The George W. Bush administration
Note: On the full-page color ad promoting Joby Warrick's "The Triple Agent" inside the back cover of S. I. Newhouse Jr.'s 7/25/11 The New Yorker is a glowing endorsement by James Bamford, listing his first two bestselling non fictions "The Puzzle Palace" and "Body of Secrets", skipping the great "A Pretext For War", but including his last best seller "The Shadow Factory". ]
Further, we plead no contest. But that is the case of the media as a whole! You need look no further than FOX Broadcasting, and the Jewish Roger Ailes! He created Republican Rush Limbaugh, just in time for Democratic President Bill Clinton. It was Limbaugh who facilitated the 1994 electoral takeover of the Clinton administration ( Hence, Newt Gingrich. ) in that critical midterm election, and laid the groundwork for the Rehnquist/O'Connor 12/12/00 illicit "ELECTION" of George Walker Bush, which would have been overturned, except for another major fiasco of the junior Bush, the horrific 9/11, for which the evidence of a looming attack was prevalent. Ask the Jewish cancer-ridden John Donald Imus Jr., who correctly perceived the end of his talkshow career were Albert Gore to occupy the White House, to which Vice President Gore had been duly elected. Significantly, the head of the FBI at that time was the Jewish Louis J. Freeh, so preoccupied with nailing Bill Clinton that he ignored the dire warnings of the holocaust to come!
The battle must continue. Even as we work today there are factors which must be recognized: The FreedomWorks phenomenon, which is not a feature of the "Tea Party", nor of former Republican Majority Leader of the House, Dick Armey. FreedomWorks is a creature of Jewish billionaire Sheldon G. Adelson, owner of The Venetian, hotel and casino, in Las Vegas!
- Rick Hertzberg JOINS THE EFFORT -
"TAKE IT TO THE LIMIT
There is the current crop of Ohio Republicans, and then there are those who art in Heaven. A specimen of the former, ultimate destination unknown, is Speaker of the House John Boehner, a perpetrator (and, arguably, a victim) of the terrifying debt-limit arson that his party, on fire with ideological fanaticism, political ruthlessness, and economic heedlessness, decided to spend the summer fanning. Aloft, the Buckeye State’s celestial choir of the G.O.P. departed includes Presidents Grant, Hayes, Garfield, McKinley, Taft, and (assuming he’s been sprung from Purgatory) Harding. Its original member, less famous than the rest but as distinguished as any of them, is Benjamin Franklin Wade.
In 1866, Wade, a nationally prominent Ohio senator, laid down the law on the national debt. He was a principal drafter of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which, until recently, was known almost exclusively for Section 1, the guarantee of legal due process and equal protection. Lately, though, Section 4 has been getting some ink, especially its first sentence: “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.” The long-standing obscurity of this passage is due partly to the aside about insurrection and rebellion, which makes the whole sentence look like a historical relic and sound like a voice-over from a Ken Burns documentary, and partly to the rarity of the situation it anticipates, which has never before arisen in a serious way. Now that it has, a number of constitutional scholars, including Garrett Epps, of the University of Baltimore, and Jack Balkin, of Yale, have been calling attention to the sudden relevance of Section 4. The immediate worry of its drafters was that Union war veterans and their survivors might get stiffed once legislators from the former Confederate states were readmitted. But Wade and his colleagues took pains to word the clause more broadly. Their larger intention, Balkin wrote recently, was to prevent Congress from “repudiating the federal debt to gain political advantage, to seek political revenge, or to try to disavow previous financial obligations because of changed policy priorities”—a pretty good summary of what Republicans have been up to of late.
The federal budget, its deficit, and the long-term debt that the deficit feeds are all consequences of laws passed by Congress—laws governing the collection and expenditure of funds. The debt-limit statute is a law, too. But if the government can no longer lawfully pay the bills it has already lawfully incurred, the President cannot fulfill his constitutional obligation (Article II, Section 3) to “take Care that the Laws”—all of them—“be faithfully executed.” At that point, some argue, the Fourteenth Amendment should tip the balance. The week before last, Bill Clinton said that, in extremis, he would invoke it “without hesitation” and raise the debt limit himself rather than countenance default. Last week, with the final showdown looming and intimations of catastrophe mounting, prominent congressional Democrats, including Steny Hoyer and James Clyburn, the Party’s second- and third-ranking House leaders, urged President Obama to be ready to do just that.
On May 25th, Timothy Geithner, Obama’s Secretary of the Treasury, pointedly read the Fourteenth Amendment’s debt clause aloud to reporters. But the President has steadily backed away. At first, he simply dodged the question. Then, on July 22nd, he said that “my lawyers” are “not persuaded that that is a winning argument.” Finally, last week, his press secretary, Jay Carney, said that “our position” is that “the President does not have the authority to raise the debt ceiling.” It’s “not an option.” (Carney also said that default is not an option, either.)
Of course, invoking the Fourteenth Amendment has always been a long shot, a last refuge. But Obama’s seeming refusal to hold it in reserve (“like the fire axe on the wall,” in Garrett Epps’s words) is emblematic of his all too civilized, all too accommodating negotiating strategy—indeed, of his whole approach to the nation’s larger economic dilemma, the most disappointing aspect of his Presidency. His stimulus package asked for too little and got less. He has allowed deficits and debt to supersede mass unemployment as the emergency of the moment. He has too readily accepted Republican terms of debate, such as likening the country to a household that must “live within its means.” (For even the most prudent householders, living within one’s means can include going into debt, as in taking out a car loan so that one can get to one’s job.) He has done too little to educate the public to the wisdom of post-Herbert Hoover economics: fiscal balance is achieved over time, not in a single year; in flush times a government should run a surplus, but when the economy falters deficits are part of the remedy; when the immediate problem is what it is now—a lack of demand, not a shortage of capital—higher spending is generally more efficacious than lower taxes, especially lower taxes on the rich.
So it’s less surprising than it should be that in the debt-limit negotiations he has met Republican intransigence with an apparent willingness to accede to one Republican demand after another: no tax rises for the comfortable (the only kind that Democrats have dared to suggest); no new revenues at all, even from closing the most egregious loopholes; cuts in spending only, including spending on “entitlements,” the modest (by international standards) programs of social insurance for the old, the poor, and the sick that, through the decades, somehow managed to struggle into existence over the hurdles of America’s structurally divided and, of late, alarmingly dysfunctional political system. With compromises like these, who needs surrender?
But if, in the debt-limit scramble, the President has been a less effective educator and negotiator than many of his supporters wish he would be, his Republican opponents, in thrall to their Tea Party Jacobins, have been reckless and irresponsible beyond imagining. At week’s end, Speaker Boehner thought it necessary to demand that both Houses of Congress pass and send to the states for ratification a so-called balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution. Though doomed from the start, the amendment in its purest form offers an insight into the dystopian vision of America proffered by one of our two major political parties. The budget would have to be balanced every year, regardless of economic conditions. Annual spending would be permanently capped at eighteen per cent of the prior year’s gross domestic product, a level last achieved in 1956. To exceed the cap—or to levy a new tax, or to raise (though not to cut) an existing one—would take a two-thirds supermajority of the full membership of both Houses of Congress. That’s more than Congress needs to declare war, more than the House needs to impeach a President, more, even, than the Senate needs to end a filibuster. Astonishingly, it’s more than Congress needs to approve amending the Constitution itself, which requires two-thirds only of those present and voting.
The difference between yesterday’s Republicans and today’s is the difference between Wade’s Fourteenth Amendment and Boehner’s proposed Twenty-eighth. Benjamin Wade was called a Radical Republican. In fact, he proudly called himself one, and he had earned the title: far ahead of his time, he was a passionate advocate of women’s suffrage, the rights of labor, and absolute civic equality for black Americans. His Republican successors in Congress call themselves conservatives, but they, most of them, are radicals, too. Just not in a good way." - HENDRICK HERTZBERG THE NEW YORKER 8/8/11
Notes: The Veterans For Peace will rally on our Capitol Mall October 6th, and a representative group will be stationed there until our troops come home from Iraq, Afghanistan & Pakistan. It's time for Israel to expend its shekels for this warfare against its so-called "Existential" adversaries. We've paid enough in blood and treasure for the protection of the bellicose Netanyahu/Lieberman REGIME!
"New Support for Palestine - In all the tumult of the Arab revolts, one of the most striking manifestations of change is rejuvenated support for the Palestinian cause. The embrace of the issue confirms its status as a barometer of justice and freedom for many Arabs and Muslims." - Page 2 N Y Times 8/10/11 - - THE TIMES: THEY ARE A-CHANGING! OUR NEXT EDIT!!
* Leading this post 8/10/11 edit, several items.
(1) The Joby Warrick "The Triple Agent" mentioned in the last edit deals with one of the many deadly fiascos in this ill-begotten military action in Afghanistan, which began when the "W" Bush, so full of himself and mesmerized by his stolen 2000 election, refused to focus on our nation's security. That failure of purpose permeated our efforts abroad and in this case, culminated in the deaths of seven experienced undercover CIA station chiefs, a costly and tragic loss. And inexcusable, when viewed in the light shed by Mr. Bamford's "A Pretext For War" ( Review THE GEORGE W. BUSH ADMINISTRATION ) !
(2) The John Donald Imus Jr., also listed in the last edit, was also responsible for the rise of Israel's most effective member of the Congress of the United States, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, who admitted same on his each and every appearance on the Imus program. GOPBIAS.ORG has the convoluted details of Lieberman's arrival from obscurity.
Beginning with the August 21, 2011 "Sixty Minutes" Scott Pelley revisits a segment of an earlier program that features the trials of one Tom Drake, whose history with the National Security Agency can speak to the inherent knowledge of many informed individuals around the globe who track the excesses of the Jewish diaspora, ingrained with a determined lust to monopolize the loci of power, regardless of the damage inflicted on others. The prime example in today's world is the 8/27/11 piece by Ethan Bronner, normally, along with Isabel Kershner, Israel's chief N Y Times reporter in Jerusalem, but here disrupted by the recognition that even the largess of our United States Treasury seems no longer adequate to quell the righteous outrage that other peoples have long expressed as their populations were abused, by the maniacal attitude of Jews and Judaism, who and which, saw themselves as God's chosen people. Enough already!
"Israel Faces Painful Challenges as Ties Shift With Arab Neighbors in Upheaval

An Israeli soldier checked Palestinian women at the crossing between Jerusalem and Kalandia in the West Bank on Friday. (This woman would not seem to be in pain!)
JERUSALEM - Eight days after Israel suffered a terrorist attack from Egyptian Sinai and weeks before it faces a Palestinian statehood resolution at the United Nations, its officials say they are struggling with a painful set of strategic and diplomatic challenges produced by the region’s popular uprisings.
As angry rallies by Egyptians outside the Israeli Embassy in Cairo this week have shown, Israel’s relationship with Egypt is fraying. A deadly exchange of rockets fired at southern Israel and Israeli airstrikes on Hamas-controlled Gaza this week showed the risk of escalation there. Damaged ties with Turkey are not improving. Cooperation with the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank seems headed for trouble.
'WE ARE WITNESSING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES,' SAID A TOP ISRAELI OFFICIAL WHO SPOKE ON THE CONDITION OF ANONYMITY. 'Egypt was a major stabilizer in the region, and that may be over. Coordination with the Palestinian security officials could be lost. We are concerned about Turkey.'
Israeli officials say they are certain from detailed intelligence that the Aug. 18 infiltration that killed eight Israelis was planned and carried out from Gaza by Palestinians associated with a small radical group. But in its pursuit of the killers into Sinai and its assassinations of the group’s leaders in Gaza, Israel found itself with less room to maneuver than in the past.
LAST WEEKEND, OFFICIALS WERE CONTEMPLATING A MAJOR MILITARY ASSAULT ON GAZA. But that plan was shelved by the crisis that emerged with Egypt, by the realization that HAMAS ITSELF WAS UNINVOLVED IN THE TERRORIST ATTACK and by the worry about how SUCH AN ASSAULT WOULD AFFECT OTHER COUNTRIES’ VIEWS DURING THE UNITED NATIONS DEBATE OF A PALESTINIAN RESOLUTION IN SEPTEMBER.
Instead, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his most senior ministers decided over the course of several late-night meetings this week to promote cooperation with Egypt and restrict military action in Gaza to more limited strikes. Scores of rockets have hit Israel; dozens of Gazans have been killed and injured.
THE ISRAELIS SAY THEIR CHALLENGE IS THAT THEY NEEDED TO SEND DIFFERENT — INDEED CONTRADICTORY — MESSAGES TO DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.
To groups they say have attacked Israel from Gaza and Sinai, their message was death...
...the brutal 12/26/08 - 1/18/09 massacre in Gaza was not an Israeli reaction to an attack from Gaza . . BUT ISRAEL'S RESPONSE TO A TWO YEAR TRUCE WITH HAMAS...
...To the interim military rulers of Egypt, however, they offered expressions of regret at the loss of Egyptian life and an assurance of nonaggressive intent.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak has told the Egyptians that they can skirt the Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty and send thousands more troops, accompanied by helicopters and armored vehicles, into Sinai to restore order in the increasingly lawless peninsula. In the past, Israel opposed any alteration of the terms of the treaty. But the lawlessness — a mix of Bedouin tribalism, radical Muslim infiltration and a breakdown of Egypt’s security control after its revolution — affects not only Israel, but Egypt, which depends on tourism revenue and gas exports from there.
As a result, officials here say, the Egyptians are cooperating with Israel. The two governments agreed to jointly investigate the Israeli forces’ killings of three Egyptian policemen after last week’s terrorist attack, an approach Israel initially opposed. Israeli officials also say the Egyptian military is making sure that the attack on Israel, which received very limited coverage in Egypt at first, is now getting more public attention.
WHILE ALL THE SHIFTS ACROSS THE REGION, INCLUDING THE BLOODY BATTLE FOR CONTROL OF SYRIA, ARE BEING DISCUSSED AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS, EGYPT, THE LARGEST ARAB COUNTRY, REMAINS THE BIGGEST CONCERN.
'So much depends on the Egyptian story,' one official said. 'If it ends in chaos, it will be a totally different Middle East. OUR RELATIONS WITH THE ARMY ARE GOOD AND NEED TO BE MAINTAINED. But who rules Egypt, the army or Tahrir Square?'
All officials interviewed said that popular sentiment, as expressed through the uprising that started in Tahrir Square, plays a greater role in Egyptian policy than it did under President Hosni Mubarak, who was overthrown in February. Mr. Mubarak showed no affection for Israel and came here only once, for a few hours, for THE 1995 FUNERAL OF YITZHAK RABIN ( An acolyte of Benjamin Netanyahu, Yigal Amir, had assassinated Soldier - Statesman Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin! ). But his rule is associated with cooperative relations.
In spite of the concerns, Israeli officials noted Egypt’s new leaders have not carried out changes they had promised publicly.
'When the new government came to power in Egypt it vowed to change its policies toward Iran, the United States, the peace treaty with Israel and Gaza,' said Shlomo Brom, a retired general now at the Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University. 'So far it hasn’t done any of it.'
By contrast, there has been a steady shift away from Israel in Turkey, which until a few years ago was both a strategic ally and a society welcoming to Israeli visitors and business. The government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has angrily criticized Israel’s Gaza policy and demanded an apology after Israeli commandos killed eight Turks and an American of Turkish origin aboard a flotilla seeking to break Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza last year.
Mr. Netanyahu’s aides and advisers have been divided over how to respond to Turkey’s demands. So far, a majority opposes an apology, arguing that Israel has nothing to apologize for and that it would make no difference.
A minority disagrees, calling for some apology and compensation for the victims. As one put it: “Turkey is not a lost cause. We may not be able to divert the stream of where it is headed, but with care we can cross the river. We still have a lot of common interests with them.”
Some officials say the concerns over Israel’s diplomatic difficulties are overstated, that Israel is stable and reliable and still has plenty of friends, for example, Greece, Cyprus, Romania and Bulgaria.
And with Arab countries focused on inner turmoil and President Bashar al-Assad of Syria fighting for the survival of his government, Israel’s strategic position may be better than believed, since those countries cannot now expand their militaries or contemplate a war.
'Our biggest concern is Iran, and Iran’s biggest ally is Assad, so his fall would be good for Israel,' one official said. 'Stepping back, diplomatically and culturally, things are worrying. But strategically we are not on the edge of a cliff.'
OTHERS DISAGREE. 'THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW FRAGILE THE CALM NOW IS,' ANOTHER ISRAELI OFFICIAL SAID OF THE OPTIMISTS. 'WE ARE LOSING SUPPORT AND LEGITIMACY. I AM NOT PANICKED. BUT I AM WORRIED.'" - Bronner N Y Times 8/27/11
THERE IS A GOD IN HEAVEN!
* - Amy Goodman and DemocracyNow 8/25/11 -
(a) Secret U.S. Diplomatic Cable Reveals McCain Promised to Provide Gaddafi with Weapons
A U.S. diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks on Wednesday reveals Republican Sen. John McCain, former 2008 presidential candidate, promised to provide arms and military gear to Col. Muammar Gaddafi during a meeting in August 2009. Also attending the meeting was Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman and Republican Senators Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins. The leaked cable reads, "LIEBERMAN CALLED LIBYA AN IMPORTANT ALLY IN THE WAR ON TERRORISM, NOTING THAT COMMON ENEMIES SOMETIMES MAKE BETTER FRIENDS."
(b) Cheney Admits Urging Attack on Syrian Nuclear Site
Former Vice President Dick Cheney has admitted in his forthcoming memoir that he urged President George W. Bush to bomb a suspected Syrian nuclear reactor site in June 2007, but the President rejected his advice. Israel bombed the site three months later. In the book, Cheney also confirms he pushed to have Secretary of State Colin Powell removed from office after the 2004 election, because Powell had privately expressed doubts about the Iraq war.
(c) Historic Washington D.C. Keystone XL Tar Sands Pipeline Protest Results in 56 More Arrests
In what is being described as the largest civil disobedience protests in the environmental movement’s recent history, 56 more people were arrested Wednesday outside the White House in a protest against the Keystone XL tar sands oil pipeline. Since Saturday, 275 people have now been arrested. Meanwhile, the leaders of the nation’s largest environmental groups released a letter Wednesday calling on President Obama to block the pipeline, saying it may be the "biggest climate test you face between now and the election."
(d) Israeli Air Strikes in Gaza Kill Four; Nine-Month-Old Israeli Baby Wounded by Rocket
In news from the Middle East, Israeli air strikes in Gaza have killed at least four people. Meanwhile, more than 20 rockets were fired from Gaza into southern Israel. A nine-month-old Israeli baby was wounded. The attacks threaten an informal truce agreed by Israel and Hamas on Sunday.
(E) Glenn Beck Holds Rally in Israel Denouncing United Nations, Human Rights Organizations
Former Fox television host Glenn Beck has declared he is forming a new Texas-based global movement to defend Israel from the United Nations and international human rights organizations. Beck made the announcement while addressing roughly 1,000 American Evangelical Christians and right-wing Israelis in Jerusalem on Wednesday. Beck, a born-again Mormon, showered praise on Israelis and the Israeli state.
Glenn Beck: "In Israel, there is more courage in one small square mile than in all of Europe. In Israel, there is more courage in one soldier than in the combined and cold hearts of every bureaucrat at the United Nations."
Beck’s appearance in Israel was the first stop in his worldwide speaking tour entitled "Restoring Courage," which will take him to South Africa and South America before a major event in Texas on Sunday. Roughly three dozen activists with the group Peace Now gathered to protest the rally. Yariv Oppenheimer is Peace Now’s secretary general.
Yariv Oppenheimer, Peace Now Secretary General: "We came to protest against this show of Glenn Beck. I think he tried to use the tension in this city for his career. And we have enough fanatics here, we don’t need anymore. We need friends who come from abroad to support the idea of two states, of sharing Jerusalem as capital for two states, for the Palestinians and the Israelis, and not people who come here just to provoke."
(f) Conservative Website, Brooklyn Rabbi Blame Earthquake on Declining Morals, Same-Sex Marriage
The publisher of the conservative website WorldNetDaily has published an editorial blaming Tuesday’s earthquake on the East Coast to what he sees as the nation’s declining morals. Joseph Farah writes, "Washington, D.C., deserves more than the wallop it got today. It needs a much bigger shaking up than it got." Meanwhile, a Brooklyn rabbi named Yehuda Levin, who has ties with the National Organization for Marriage, recorded a YouTube video blaming the earthquake on the growing acceptance of same-sex marriage.
Yehuda Levin: "The Jerusalem Talmud tells us that one of the reasons that God brings earthquakes to the world is because of the transgression of homosexuality. And the Talmud states, 'You have shaken your male member in a place where it does not belong. I, too, will shake the Earth.' So, to those who sent out the email, yes, there’s a direct connection between earthquakes and homosexuality. There was in Haiti, and there is here in New York and Washington, D.C., where they passed homosexual legislation and ordinances."
* 8/26/11 Amy Goodman and DemocracyNow . . followed by The Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial
(A) Sen. Sanders to Introduce Bill to Strengthen Social Security
Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont has announced plans to introduce a bill to strengthen Social Security. Sanders’ legislation would eliminate the income cap that currently exists in the payroll tax that does not tax income above $106,800. Sanders said wealthy Americans who earn more than $250,000 should pay more into the Social Security system to keep it afloat. Last week, Sanders talked about Social Security at the United Steel Workers conference in Las Vegas.
Sen. Bernie Sanders: "Don’t let anybody kid you. Social Security today—today—has a $2.6 trillion surplus—surplus. Social Security can pay out every benefit owed to every eligible American for the next 25 years. Social Security has not contributed one penny to the deficit, and I will be damned if there is a cut to Social Security."
(B) CIA Forces FBI Agent to Redact Sections of Book about 9/11 Probe
The CIA has forced a former FBI agent to redact extensive sections of his new book called "The Black Banners: The Inside Story of 9/11 and the War Against Al Qaeda." The former FBI agent, Ali H. Soufan, is an Arabic-speaking counterterrorism agent who played a central role in most major terrorism investigations between 1997 and 2005. According to the New York Times, Soufan argues in the book that the CIA missed a chance to derail the 9/11 plot by withholding from the FBI information about two future 9/11 hijackers living in San Diego. Soufan also gives a detailed firsthand account of the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah.
(C) WikiLeaks Releases Tens of Thousands of New Classified U.S. Diplomatic Cables
The whistleblowing website WikiLeaks has announced it is releasing tens of thousands of previously unpublished classified U.S. diplomatic cables. The cables appear to be from a cache of more than 250,000 State Department reports leaked to the group. One of the newly released memos shows that the Obama administration coordinated with the Egyptian government to keep the Gaza border with Egypt closed.
- JUAN GONZALEZ: This week the public got its first look at a newly unveiled memorial on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., that honors the life and legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. It’s the first memorial on the National Mall not dedicated to a war, a president or a white man. The memorial features a 30-foot-tall sculpture in which the civil rights leader appears to emerge from a chunk of granite that is carved to resemble the sides of a mountain. It was sculpted by Chinese artist Lei Yixin.
Well, the threat of Hurricane Irene has forced organizers to postpone the planned dedication of the memorial, which had been set to take place Sunday at 11:00 a.m. Some 250,000 people were expected to attend, including President Barack Obama. The dedication ceremony was to have taken place on the 48th anniversary of Dr. King’s famous "I Have a Dream" speech, delivered less than a mile away on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
REV. DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up, live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
AMY GOODMAN: That was Dr. Martin Luther King, speaking in Washington, D.C., on August 28th, 1963. Well, the event at which Dr. King made his famous speech was the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. And even as the King Memorial dedication has been postponed, a related Rally for Jobs and Justice will proceed on Saturday, ending with a march to the King Memorial. It’s expected to attract thousands of labor, education and civil rights activists across the country. In the year before he was assassinated, Dr. King organized a Poor People’s Campaign for economic opportunity for all Americans.
To talk about the memorial and the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King, we go to Washington, D.C., where we’re joined by longtime civil rights leader Reverend Jesse Jackson. Reverend Jackson is also president and founder of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition. And we’re joined in Denver, Colorado, by Dr. Vincent Harding, who was a longtime friend and former speechwriter for Dr. King, who wrote his famous "Beyond Vietnam" address. He’s also chair of the Veterans of Hope project. Dr. Harding is author of several books, including Martin Luther King: The Inconvenient Hero.
We welcome you both to Democracy Now! The sculpture in Washington, the statue, Reverend Jesse Jackson, can you talk about its origins, how there finally is in Washington, D.C., this statue on the Mall that is not for a president or a war, the first time a black man is being honored?
REV. JESSE JACKSON: I suppose the gravitas is this journey, this 164-mile journey from Jamestown, Virginia, where slaves landed in 1619, of 246 years of legal slavery, then a hundred years of Jim Crow. That’s the context of that struggle to make this a more perfect union. And Dr. King’s role in it, at that stage, took us all to another level of hope and ambition. And so, his Alpha Phi Alpha brothers, in a very ingenious way, came with the idea of having a statue on the Mall and commenced to build a foundation, began to raise the money. The idea got traction, and now see the result of it in this huge statue on the monument. And so, not far from three presidents—Lincoln—Presidents Lincoln and Washington and Jefferson—stands a Nobel laureate, the man of peace, who was the world’s transformative figure on that Mall for, in one sense, Presidents Lincoln and Washington and Jefferson are huge national figures, but none on that Mall stands as tall as Dr. King as a world transformative figure, the idea of human rights and freedom around the world.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, Reverend Jackson, Cornel West had a piece in today’s—an op-ed piece in today’s New York Times titled "Reverend King Would Be Weeping" ["Dr. King Weeps from His Grave"]. And the thrust of his column was that this symbol and memorial to Dr. King comes at the same time that so many of the substance of the issues that Dr. King raised, especially in his final days, are being ignored or even—the country is turning its back on those issues that Dr. King raised. Your reaction to this irony that Cornel West raises?
REV. JESSE JACKSON: I think we would do well to use the statue as an occasion to deal with his unfinished business. He was shot down, assassinated at age 39. His last agenda items included a Poor People’s Campaign, the quest to end the war in Vietnam, and stop the radical installation of capital in the hands of the very wealthy. And today, here we are with too few people with too much wealth, subsidized by the government, too many unnecessary wars and too many people in poverty. So, in substance, this memorial gives us a rallying point to keep going with his unfinished business. We bail out the banks, without link to lending and reinvestment, for example. The Bush tax cut extension is more money than all of the state budget deficits combined. So, clearly, Wall Street has made out big time, but the poor are expanding, and we’re losing jobs en masse, and we must, in fact, turn it around.
AMY GOODMAN: Dr. Vince Harding, the name of your book about Dr. King is Martin Luther King: The Inconvenient Hero. You’re quoting from a poem by Carl Wendell Hines. Can you share that with us?
DR. VINCENT HARDING: I’d be very glad to, Amy. And I’m so glad to be on the program with you again. As I’ve thought about the monument, what came immediately to my mind was this poem that I quote in the King book by Carl Wendell Hines. And here is the section that I’m especially interested in sharing this morning:
Now that he is safely dead,
Let us Praise him,
Build monuments to his glory,
Sing Hosannas to his name.
Dead men make such convenient Heroes.
They cannot rise to challenge the images
We would fashion from their Lives.
And besides, it is easier to build monuments
Than to build a better world.
AMY GOODMAN: Dr. Vince Harding, talk about why you think that—
DR. VINCENT HARDING: That was on my mind.
AMY GOODMAN: Go ahead. Talk about why that is on your mind today, as this statute, well, is about to be formally unveiled, but because of the hurricane will be postponed.
DR. VINCENT HARDING: I think that the whole issue that Martin represented of the role of all of us as citizens in this nation to work to create a more just, compassionate and concerned nation is something that is so easy for us to forget as we build the monument. I believe very strongly that monuments, works of art, are of great importance. But what comes to my mind, Amy, is that when we take our children to see the monument, I hope that when they ask about who that is and why the monument is there, that we’ll say to those children, not that this is Martin Luther King who was a great speech maker, but that this is King who helped to inspire me to work for you to have a better school, my son, to work for you, my daughter, to be able to be a great creative agent in this world, to work for community to be a place where all of us can live and love in strength and unity. If we could tell our children from that monument what work it is that we are doing now to carry on the work that King was involved in and that King died for, then your monument will have its rightful place. But we must always keep in mind that that work has to go on if the monument is to have any real meaning for us all.
JUAN GONZALEZ: And Reverend Jackson, about that work, the march that you’re having on Saturday, obviously in the midst right now of a presidency where many expected much more in terms of a dedication to alleviating some of the problems of the poor and of those who are less fortunate in this society, that hasn’t happened, your sense of what the message of the march will be?
REV. JESSE JACKSON: Let me say to you, I want to build upon—and first, good morning, Dr. Harding, one of Dr. King’s closest friends.
DR. VINCENT HARDING: Good morning, Jesse.
REV. JESSE JACKSON: We have a way of embracing martyrs—embracing martyrs and not marchers, trying to neuter him. He died a very unpopular man, attacked by our government, attacked by the media, shunned by many blacks themselves, for example, civil rights activists, because he dared to deal with the issue of unjust, unnecessary wars.
Today we’re spending a trillion dollars in Iraq on the wrong target. Overthrowing the government in Libya, well, a billion there, and billions more to restore it. Two billion a week in Afghanistan. And yet, we’re laying off teachers, firemen, policemen. He would be distressed by that. He would be weeping about that. The bailout for these banks, who drove us in the hole, and then they get bailed out without links to kind of reinvest. We refortified them, not restructured them.
These issues that Dr. King would have raised would be troubling, but it is his sense of outrage and conscience that make us better today. And I would hope, as Vince said, that the interpretation must lead us to his unfinished business. The dream only makes sense if it’s connected to the broken promise that had been unfulfilled for a hundred years. And today, the dream has to put every American back to work. That means reinvesting in the common people bottom-up. We’re cutting public transportation, denying access to jobs, resegregating. Our schools are more segregated. The biggest growth industry in most states is the jail-industrial complex. So he would see me raising troubling questions of conscience, so I will see this monument as an opportunity to raise issues of jobs and peace and justice.
AMY GOODMAN: Reverend Jackson, can you talk about the corporate contributors to this statue and the event, the mass corporate donations that funded the memorial—FedEx, General Motors, GE, PepsiCo, ExxonMobil?
REV. JESSE JACKSON: Well, I do not know, you know, who all did the contributions, but I do know that that will pale by comparison to how long the statue will be here. And you go to Lincoln, it’s a conversation about the Emancipation Proclamation. Or you go to Jefferson, there’s a statement about his being a founder of the country, democracy and slavery co-existing. You go to Washington, father of the country. You go to Dr. King’s statue, you’ll be talking about civil rights and social justice. It will outlast who contributed to making it happen. I would think that that would be the last—a man of peace on that statue, unlike these presidents. He’s the tallest figure there, because people coming here from South Africa and from Australia and from Asia, people all around the world, who embrace peace and justice and self-determination found in Dr. King’s statue, that one will be the most appealing statue on the entire Mall.
AMY GOODMAN: Vince Harding, you helped Dr. King write that speech, "Beyond Vietnam." You sat there for days preparing this, the famous speech he gave April 4th, 1967, a year to the day before he was assassinated. He gave that speech at Riverside Church. It became known as "Beyond Vietnam." Let me play a short clip for you now.
REV. DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: If we do not stop our war against the people of Vietnam immediately, the world will be left with no other alternative than to see this as some horrible, clumsy and deadly game we have decided to play. The world now demands a maturity of America that we may not be able to achieve. It demands that we admit that we have been wrong from the beginning of our adventure in Vietnam, that we have been detrimental to the life of the Vietnamese people. The situation is one in which we must be ready to turn sharply from our present ways.
AMY GOODMAN: That famous address, Time magazine later called the speech "demagogic slander that sounded like a script for Radio Hanoi." The Washington Post declared that King had "diminished his usefulness to his cause, his country, and his people." Vince Harding, your reflections on that speech, in which he said the country he loved, America, the United States, was the greatest purveyor of violence on earth, as he spoke against the war in Vietnam, where we are today with the wars that President Obama is presiding over in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan?
DR. VINCENT HARDING: Well, I think, Amy, that that speech, which was not simply mine, but which definitely spoke to Martin’s own deepest convictions, that speech and the segment that you just read, for instance, is now very clearly the truth of Vietnam, regardless of what Time or the New York Times or the Washington Post was saying in 1967. By this time, we realize that King was the one who saw most clearly and most adequately what it was that was going on in Vietnam. And he called us away from that kind of adventure. He called us to become a mature democratic country and not a country of cowboy teenagers. And this, I think, is still the need for us right now, to find a way to become a mature people, so that we can recreate the country that is so badly in need of that vision of a more perfect union.
JUAN GONZALEZ: I’d like to ask Reverend Jackson. The wars—you’ve mentioned the wars—
REV. JESSE JACKSON: May I say, Juan—
JUAN GONZALEZ: I’m sorry, go ahead.
REV. JESSE JACKSON: What I wanted to say was that one of the fears about—in tributing Dr. King as one with a dove in one ear and a flower in the other is to miss the fact he was a man of courage and conscience and confrontation and then conciliation.
DR. VINCENT HARDING: Yes, yes, yes.
REV. JESSE JACKSON: He won the battle of Montgomery—confrontation—the battle of Birmingham, the battle of Selma, the battle of Chicago, the battle to end the war in Vietnam. He must be seen as a fighter who chose tough negotiations and confrontation, and then reconciliation. And that was the point that made him distinctly different, that he took the risk of fighting the battle to bring about the victory for reconciliation.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Reverend Jackson, I’d also like to ask you, because you mentioned all of the money being spent on the current wars. The United States is involved probably in more wars right now in different parts of—or military adventures in different parts of the world than in any time in its history. You’ve—Libya has been in the news a lot. You once met with Gaddafi. You’re familiar with the situation in Libya. What is your sense of the United States’ involvement in efforts at regime change in Libya?
REV. JESSE JACKSON: Twofold, it seems. Number one, the idea of a humanitarian mission there was well founded and probably could have been negotiated to a conclusion, because, after all, the forces—the rebels in Libya did not come to Gaddafi as the peaceful demonstrators did in Egypt. They came firing. He was firing. So it was a kind of civil war, which we maybe could have negotiated to some conclusion. And we chose to go from humanitarian relief to a full-scale war, and now we’ve paid over a billion dollars for that war, and we’ll pay billions more to reconstruct what we’ve torn up. And while the chaos abounds and destabilization abounds, now, of course, the same contractors who are rebuilding and getting the oil out of Iraq will be going next to Libya, which makes it kind of cynical. I hope that, early on, that this madness can be stopped and that we can, A, find a coherent foreign policy. And I find that right now, from Egypt to Libya to Yemen to Syria to Libya, our foreign policy is not very coherent.
AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to end with Vincent Harding. I’m looking at a piece by—from the Black Agenda Report by Jared Ball, who said, referring to corporate sponsors, "Of course, there are others like JP Morgan, Murdoch’s Direct TV, Exxon, Target [and] Wal Mart—other bastions of workers’ rights and liberty. All have come together to ensure that King be forever separated from [himself, from] his anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist and anti-patient work for a genuine revolution." Can you comment on that, Vince Harding?
DR. VINCENT HARDING: Oh, I would like to comment on it, my dear, especially to remind us that this country, this democracy that we’re trying to create, was sponsored by slaveholders, slave owners and slave traders. But that does not mean that that was the end of the story. As our great African-American teacher, who was one of our major Supreme Court justices, reminded us, that though the country began in that way, we could go on to create something new. I’m not worried right now about who paid for the memorial. What I want to do, and what I want to know, is how the memorial and the spirit of King can be remade, can be taken over into our hands and carried on to the point where we can get past the concerns that King had for racism, for materialism, for militarism. Those were his three major concerns as his life ended. If we can take that on at this point in history, then whoever paid for the monument does not matter. We are the ones who will have to create the meaning of King for the future of this country.
AMY GOODMAN: We want to thank you both for being with us. Vincent Harding, chair of Veterans of Hope project, longtime friend of Dr. Martin Luther King, author of a few books, including Martin Luther King: The Inconvenient Hero. And Reverend Jesse Jackson, joining us from Washington, D.C. The unveiling, the formal unveiling of the statue will be postponed because of Hurricane Irene, expected to slam into Washington on Sunday. The dedication will be postponed, that President Obama was going to be at. But the March for Jobs and Justice is going to happen on Saturday, that will end at the King Memorial.
THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. National Memorial

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
The Riverside Church New York
BEYOND VIETNAM
"After 1954, they ( the North Vietnamese ) watched us conspire with Diem to prevent elections which could have surely brought Ho Chi Minh to power over a united Vietnam, and they realized they had been betrayed again. When we ask why they do not leap to negotiate, these things must be remembered.
Also, it must be clear that the leaders of Hanoi considered the presence of American troops in support of the Diem regime to have been the initial military breach of the Geneva Agreement concerning foreign troops. And they remind us that they did not begin to send troops in large numbers and even supplies into the South, until American forces had moved into the tens of thousands.
Hanoi remembers how our leaders refused to tell us the truth about the earlier North Vietnamese overtures for peace, how the President ( LBJ )...
[ This is the same President Johnson who, on this fateful trip to Dallas, informed his longtime mistress Madelane (sp) Brown, mother of his illegitimate son Steven, now deceased ( whom LBJ supported, along with mistress Madelane, until LBJ's death ) informed her that they wouldn't have to worry about the "Kennedy boys" any longer. ]
...claimed that none existed when they had clearly been made. Ho Chi Minh has watched as America has spoken of peace and built up its forces, and now he has surely heard the increasing international rumors of American plans for an invasion of the North. He knows the bombing and shelling and mining we are doing are part of traditional pre-invasion strategy. Perhaps only his sense of humor and of irony can save him when he hears the most powerful nation of the world speaking of aggression as it drops thousands of bombs on a poor, weak nation more than 8,000 miles away from its shores.
At this point, I should make it clear that while I have tried in these last few minutes to give a voice to the voiceless in Vietnam and to understand the arguments of those who are called "enemy," I am as deeply concerned about our own troops there as anything else, for it occurs to me that what we are submitting them to in Vietnam is not simply the brutalizing process that goes on in any war where armies face each other, and seek to destroy. We are adding cynicism to the process of death, for they must know after the short period there that none of the things we claim to be fighting for are really involved. Before long, they must know that their government has sent them into a struggle among Vietnamese, and the more sophisticated surely realize that we are on the side of the wealthy and the secure, while we create a hell for the poor.
Somehow this madness must cease. We must stop now. I speak as a child of God and brother to the suffering poor of Vietnam. I speak for those whose land is being laid waste, whose homes are being destroyed...
[ not unlike our proxy Israel ( or, are we Israel's proxy? ) in Palestinian land being laid waste, and Palestinian homes being destroyed ]
...whose culture is being subverted. I speak for the poor of America, who are paying the double price of smashed hopes at home and death and corruption in Vietnam. I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as one who loves America, to the leaders of our own nation: The great initiative in this war is ours; the initiative to stop it must be ours.
This is the message of the great Buddhist leaders of Vietnam. Recently one of them wrote these words, and I quote: "Each day the war goes on, the hatred increases in the heart of the Vietnamese and in the hearts of those of humanitarian instinct. The Americans are forcing even their friends into becoming their enemies. It is curious that the Americans, who calculate so carefully on the possibilities of military victory, do not realize that in the process they are incurring deep psychological and political defeat. The image of America will never again be the image of revolution, freedom and democracy, but the image of violence and militarism,” unquote.
We continue, there will be no doubt in my mind and in the mind of the world that we have no honorable intentions in Vietnam. If we do not stop our war against the people of Vietnam immediately, the world will be left with no other alternative than to see this as some horrible, clumsy and deadly game we have decided to play.
The world now demands a maturity of America that we may not be able to achieve. It demands that we admit that we have been wrong from the beginning of our adventure in Vietnam, that we have been detrimental to the life of the Vietnamese people. The situation is one in which we must be ready to turn sharply from our present ways.
In order to atone for our sins and errors in Vietnam, we should take the initiative in bringing a halt to this tragic war and set a date that we will remove all foreign troops from Vietnam in accordance with the 1954 Geneva agreement.
Part of our ongoing—part of our ongoing commitment might well express itself in an offer to grant asylum to any Vietnamese who fears for his life under the new regime, which included the Liberation Front. Then we must make what reparations we can for the damage we have done. We must provide the medical aid that is badly needed, making it available in this country, if necessary.
Meanwhile, we in the churches and synagogues have a continuing task, while we urge our government to disengage itself from a disgraceful commitment. We must continue to raise our voices and our lives if our nation persists in its perverse ways in Vietnam. We must be prepared to match actions with words by seeking out every creative method of protest possible.
These are the times for real choices and not false ones. We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. Every man of humane convictions must decide on the protest that best suits his convictions, but we must all protest.
Now, there is something seductively tempting about stopping there and sending us all off on what in some circles has become a popular crusade against the war in Vietnam. I say we must enter that struggle, but I wish to go on now to say something even more disturbing. The war in Vietnam is but a symptom of a far deeper malady within the American spirit, and if we ignore this sobering reality—and if we ignore this sobering reality, we will find ourselves organizing clergy- and laymen-concerned committees for the next generation. They will be concerned about Guatemala and Peru. They will be concerned about Thailand and Cambodia. They will be concerned about Mozambique and South Africa. We will be marching for these and a dozen other names and attending rallies without end, unless there is a significant and profound change in American life and policy. So such thoughts take us beyond Vietnam, but not beyond our calling as sons of the living God.
In 1957, a sensitive American official overseas said that it seemed to him that our nation was on the wrong side of a world revolution. During the past ten years, we have seen emerge a pattern of suppression, which has now has justified the presence of U.S. military "advisers" in Venezuela. This need to maintain social stability for our investments accounts for the counterrevolutionary action of American forces in Guatemala. It tells why American helicopters are being used against guerrillas in Cambodia and why American napalm and Green Beret forces have already been active against rebels in Peru. It is with such activity in mind that the words of the late John F. Kennedy come back to haunt us. Five years ago, he said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments.
I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.
A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand, we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life’s roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life’s highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.
A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth with righteous indignation. It will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say, "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of South America and say, "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just.
A true revolution of values will lay a hand on the world order and say of war, "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation’s homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.
America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing, except a tragic death wish, to prevent us from reordering our priorities, so that the pursuit of peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war.
These are revolutionary times. All over the globe men are revolting against old systems of exploitation and oppression, and out of the wombs of a frail world new systems of justice and equality are being born. The shirtless and barefoot people of the land are rising up as never before. "The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light." We in the West must support these revolutions.
It is a sad fact that, because of comfort, complacency, a morbid fear of communism, and our proneness to adjust to injustice, the Western nations that initiated so much of the revolutionary spirit of the modern world have now become the arch anti-revolutionaries. This has driven many to feel that only Marxism has the revolutionary spirit. Therefore, communism is a judgment against our failure to make democracy real and follow through on the revolutions that we initiated. Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism and militarism. With this powerful commitment, we shall boldly challenge the status quo and unjust mores and thereby speed the day when "every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low, and the crooked shall be made straight and the rough places plain."
A genuine revolution of values means, in the final analysis, that our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than sectional. Every nation must now develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole in order to preserve the best in their individual societies.
This call for a worldwide fellowship that lifts neighborly concern beyond one’s tribe, race, class and nation is in reality a call for an all-embracing and unconditional love for all mankind. This oft-misunderstood, this oft-misinterpreted concept, so readily dismissed by the Nietzsches of the world as a weak and cowardly force, has now become an absolute necessity for the survival of man.
When I speak of love, I am not speaking of some sentimental and weak response, I am not speaking of that force which is just emotional bosh. I’m speaking of that force which all of the great religions have seen as the supreme unifying principle of life. Love is somehow the key that unlocks the door which leads to ultimate reality. This Hindu-Muslim-Christian-Jewish-Buddhist belief about ultimate reality is beautifully summed up in the First Epistle of Saint John: “Let us love one another; for love is God and everyone that loveth is born of God and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. If we love one another God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.”
Let us hope that this spirit will become the order of the day. We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. The oceans of history are made turbulent by the ever-rising tides of hate. History is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued this self-defeating path of hate. As Arnold Toynbee says, "Love is the ultimate force that makes for the saving choice of life and good against the damning choice of death and evil. Therefore the first hope in our inventory must be the hope that love is going to have the last word," unquote.
We are now faced with the fact, my friends, that tomorrow is today. We are confronted with the fierce urgency of now. In this unfolding conundrum of life and history, there is such a thing as being too late. Procrastination is still the thief of time. Life often leaves us standing bare, naked and dejected with a lost opportunity. The "tide in the affairs of men" does not remain at the flood; it ebbs. We may cry out desperately for time to pause in her passage, but time is adamant to every plea and rushes on. Over the bleached bones and jumbled residues of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words: "Too late." There is an invisible book of life that faithfully records our vigilance or our neglect. Omar Khayyam writes, "The moving finger writes, and having writ moves on..." We still have a choice today: nonviolent coexistence or violent co-annihilation.
We must move past indecision to action. We must find new ways to speak for peace in Vietnam and justice throughout the developing world, a world that borders on our doors. If we do not act, we shall surely be dragged down the long dark and shameful corridors of time reserved for those who possess power without compassion, might without morality, and strength without sight.
Now, let us begin. Now, let us rededicate ourselves to the long and bitter—but beautiful—struggle for a new world. This is the calling of the sons of God, and our brothers wait eagerly for our response. Shall we say the odds are too great? Shall we tell them the struggle is too hard? Will our message be that the forces of American life militate against their arrival as full men, and we send our deepest regrets? Or will there be another message, of longing, of hope, of solidarity with their yearnings, of commitment to their cause, whatever the cost? The choice is ours, and though we might prefer it otherwise, we must choose in this crucial moment of human history.
As that noble bard of yesterday, James Russell Lowell, eloquently stated:
Once to every man and nation
Comes the moment to decide,
In the strife of truth and falsehood,
For the good or evil side;
Some great cause, God’s new Messiah,
Off’ring each the bloom or blight,
And the choice goes by forever
Twixt that darkness and that light.
Though the cause of evil prosper,
Yet 'tis truth alone is strong;
Though her portion be the scaffold,
And upon the throne be wrong:
Yet that scaffold sways the future,
And behind the dim unknown,
Standeth God within the shadow
Keeping watch above his own.
And if we will only make the right choice, we will be able to transform this pending cosmic elegy into a creative psalm of peace. If we will make the right choice, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our world into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. If we will but make the right choice, we will be able to speed up the day, all over America and all over the world, when justice will roll down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. April 4, 1967
(precisely one year prior to his assassination)
* "Monument has assumed rightful place. WASHINGTON - It is one of the enduring mysteries of American history — so near-providential as to give the most hardened atheist pause — that it should have produced, at every hinge point, great men who matched the moment. A roiling, revolutionary 18th-century British colony gives birth to the greatest cohort of political thinkers ever: Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Hamilton, Washington, Franklin, Jay. The crisis of the 19th century brings forth Lincoln; the 20th, FDR.
Equally miraculous is Martin Luther King Jr. Black America’s righteous revolt against a century of post-emancipation oppression could have gone in many bitter and destructive directions. It did not. This was largely the work of one man’s leadership, moral imagination and strategic genius. He turned his own deeply Christian belief that “unearned suffering is redemptive” into a creed of nonviolence that he carved into America’s political consciousness. The result was not just racial liberation but national redemption.
Such an achievement, such a life, deserves a monument alongside the other miracles of our history — Lincoln, Jefferson and FDR — which is precisely where stands the new Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial. It opened Monday on the Tidal Basin, adjacent to Roosevelt’s seven acres, directly across from Jefferson’s temple, and bisecting the invisible cartographic line connecting the memorials for Jefferson and Lincoln, authors of America’s first two births of freedom, whose promises awaited fulfillment by King.
The artistic deficiencies, however, are trumped by placement. You enter the memorial through a narrow passageway, emerging onto a breathtaking opening to the Tidal Basin, a tranquil, tree-lined oasis with Jefferson at the far shore. Here stands King gazing across to the Promised Land — promised by that very same Jefferson — but whose shores King himself was never to reach. You are standing at America’s Mount Nebo ( i.e. Pisgah ) . You cannot but be deeply moved.
Behind the prophet, guarding him, is an arc of short quotations chiseled in granite. This is in keeping with that glorious feature of Washington’s monumental core — the homage to words (rather than images of conquest and glory, as in so many other capitals), as befits a nation founded on an idea.
Transcending all forms of sectarianism to achieve a common humanity was, of course, a major element of King’s thought. But it was not the only one. Missing is any sense of King’s Americanness. Indeed, the word America appears only once, and only in the context of stating his opposition to the Vietnam War. Yet as King himself insisted, his dream was 'deeply rooted in the American dream.' He consciously rooted civil rights in the American story, not just for tactical reasons of enlisting whites in the struggle but because he deeply believed that his movement, while fiercely adversarial, was quintessentially American, indeed, a profound vindication of the American creed.
And yet, however much one wishes for a more balanced representation of King’s own creed, there is no denying the power of this memorial. You must experience it. In the heart of the nation’s capital, King now literally takes his place in the American pantheon, the only non-president to be so honored. As of Aug. 22, 2011, there is no room for anyone more on the shores of the Tidal Basin. This is as it should be." - Charles Krauthammer Wash Post 8/28/11
NON FILTERED NEWS
As is obvious from Edward Rothstein's many pieces in The New York Times, including 8/26/11 [ e.g., regarding the miraculous The Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial ( "There is always an element of 'kitsch (?)' in monumental memorials, a built-in grandiosity that exaggerates the physical and spiritual statures of their human subjects" ) ] Jews see themselves as apart from the other peoples that make up this population. That is a distinction that Roger Cohen, from London, has made more relevant in his 9/4/11 N. Y. Times OP-ED "The Netsuke Survived", a distinction that is truly enlightening today.
"PEOPLE start collections for many reasons — because they can, because they wish to contemplate beauty, because of the associations an object stirs. Perhaps a secret memory lurks in a loved bibelot: Proust muses that the collector’s pleasure 'was always for reasons which other people didn’t grasp.' Certainly exile, which is loss, can make a salvaged collection doubly precious.
The odyssey of 264 netsuke — Japanese carvings not much larger than cherry tomatoes — lies at the heart of Edmund de Waal’s extraordinary book 'The Hare with Amber Eyes.' The carvings in ivory or boxwood with subjects as various as a persimmon or a copulating couple were acquired by Charles Ephrussi in Paris in the 1870s. Ephrussi, a forebear of de Waal with a discerning passion for art, was a very rich man.
HE WAS ALSO A JEW, A DESCENDANT OF THE EPHRUSSIS OF ODESSA WHO BECAME KNOWN AS THE KINGS OF GRAIN. DIVERSIFYING ROUND EUROPE THEY AMASSED WEALTH ONCE COMPARABLE TO THE ROTHSCHILDS’. THEN EVERYTHING GOES UP IN SMOKE. DE WAAL’S BOOK IS A MEDITATION ON JEWISH UPHEAVAL AND LOSS.
This is a book ( 'The Hare with Amber Eyes' ) about Jewish credulity ( willingness to believe or trust too readily (?) ). The Ephrussis believed they were pillars of society; they were deluded. In 1896, three years before the netsuke left Paris for Vienna, Theodor Herzl, appalled by the Dreyfus Affair and convinced that combating anti-Semitism was futile, wrote 'The Jewish State,' arguing for a Jewish homeland in Palestine — his Zionist answer to the Ephrussis’ diaspora submissiveness.
DE WAAL SHUNS POLITICS. BUT PART OF THE SADNESS OF HIS STORY IS THAT THE GERMAN QUESTION THAT SO RAVAGED EUROPE HAS BEEN SOLVED, WHILE THE JEWISH QUESTION REMAINS OPEN. IT TOOK ALMOST 120 YEARS FROM THE FOUNDING OF THE MODERN GERMAN STATE TO REACH RESOLUTION. ON THAT SCALE, WITH THE MODERN STATE OF ISRAEL, WE MAY BE HALFWAY TO THE INEVITABLE BUT ELUSIVE PEACE." - Roger Cohen N Y Times 9/4/11
To carry it a bit further, we can see clearly that what James Bamford encompassed in "A Pretext For War", a 2004 Pulitzer-quality tome which was rejected for consideration by Columbia University and even classified NON GRATA by the great Michiko Kakutani, after a brief early mention, Bamford's " : 9/11, Iraq, And The Abuse Of America's Intelligence Agencies" was on the mark, and alone, except for Philip Roth's "The Plot Against America (?)". The present TRILLION dollar chaos in the Middle East is accepted by Jews, as is the disingenuous editorial ( below ) in the compromised 9/3/11 The New York Times, endorsing the humiliated Ban Ki-moon United Nations report on the flagrant 2010 Israeli deadly commando attack in which well-armed Israelis once again, killed non-armed innocent citizens, this time in international waters (!) , and this time seemingly approved by the UN! And the "All the News That's Fit to Print" The New York Times! Here the Sulzberger Pro-Israel Clan certifies the Moonie Secretary General, the both of them subservient to the most treacherous prime minister of Israel, in that killer clan's brief bloody history, Benjamin Netanyahu.
"Turkey, Israel and The Flotilla - Both sides need to cool things down before it gets any worse -
A United Nations report on Israel’s attack last year on a Gaza-bound aid ship should have been a chance to ease fraught relations between Israel and Turkey. Instead, both sides dug in their heels.
The United Nations has long pummeled Israel, and Israeli leaders initially resisted an independent investigation into the raid that killed eight Turks and one Turkish-American. THE REPORT ISSUED FRIDAY SEEMED EVENHANDED. IT SAID THAT ISRAEL’S NAVAL BLOCKADE OF GAZA IS LEGAL AND THAT ISRAELI COMMANDOS BOARDING THE VESSEL HAD TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST 'ORGANIZED AND VIOLENT RESISTANCE.' But it said that the force used by the Israelis was 'excessive and unreasonable.' MOST OF THOSE KILLED WERE SHOT MULTIPLE TIMES.
The flotilla, which sailed from a Turkish port with the acquiescence of the Turkish government, was faulted for acting 'recklessly' in running the blockade. The report also said that 'more could have been done' by Turkey to persuade organizers to avoid a clash with Israeli forces.
Turkey rejected the findings, expelled Israel’s ambassador and announced that it was freezing military ties until Israel apologized for the deaths and compensated the victims’ families. It has also been demanding that Israel end the blockade and that the United Nations shelve the report.
Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu warned that Ankara 'will take every precaution it deems necessary' to protect its shipping in the eastern Mediterranean. He didn’t explain, but it is irresponsible to even hint that Turkey, a NATO ally, might look for opportunities to confront Israel militarily.
Israel accepted the findings by the United Nations and said that it hoped to mend ties with Turkey, but it reiterated that it would not apologize. Two weeks ago, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton urged Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel to apologize to Turkey. American officials are going to have to keep trying with both sides.
We don’t blame Israel for wondering if Turkey is keeping this conflict going to burnish its standing in the Arab world. Turkey is risking a lot, including billions in trade with Israel and its reputation as a responsible international player. Israel certainly doesn’t need to be any more isolated than it is.
Israel should apologize for the deaths. And Turkey should stop upping the ante." - The Sulzberger Clan, N Y Times 9/3/11
NOT SO FAST
- Amy Goodman & DemocracyNow 9/2/11 "As Turkey Freezes Israel Ties, Critics Decry 'Whitewashed' U.N. Report on Gaza Flotilla, Blockade
Turkey has downgraded diplomatic ties with Israel and frozen military cooperation ahead of a long-awaited United Nations report on Israel’s deadly attack on a Gaza-bound aid ship in 2010. The report accuses Israel of 'excessive and unreasonable' force in its attack—which killed nine people—on the Mavi Marmara ship, and says Israel should issue a statement of regret and compensate the families of the dead as well as wounded passengers. But it also chides passengers aboard the Marmara and the other flotilla ships for what it calls a 'reckless' attempt to breach Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip. In a major development with broader implications, the U.N. report concludes that the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip is legal under international law. We speak with Norman Finkelstein, author of several books on the Israel-Palestine conflict, including ''This Time We Went Too Far': Truth & Consequences of the Gaza Invasion.' We are also joined by Huwaida Arraf, one of the organizers of the Free Gaza Movement. Both Arraf and Finkelstein blast the U.N. report, calling it a 'whitewash' and 'morally debased.'
Guests:
Huwaida Arraf, chairperson of the Free Gaza Movement and co-founder of the International Solidarity Movement. She was on one of six ships that were in the Gaza flotilla when the Mavi Marmara was attacked.
Norman Finkelstein, author of several books on the Israel-Palestine conflict, including 'This Time We Went Too Far': Truth & Consequences of the Gaza Invasion.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Turkey has downgraded diplomatic ties with Israel and frozen military cooperation ahead of a long-awaited United Nations report on Israel’s deadly attack on a Gaza-bound aid ship in 2010. According to leaked excerpts, the report accuses Israel of, quote, "excessive and unreasonable force" in its attacks on the Mavi Marmara which killed nine people. The report says Israel should issue a statement of regret and compensate the families of the dead as well as wounded passengers. But the report also criticizes passengers aboard the Marmara and the other flotilla ships for what it calls a, quote, "reckless" attempt to breach Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip. And in a major development with broader implications, the United Nations report also concludes that the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip is legal under international law.
AMY GOODMAN: The U.N. investigation was overseen by Geoffrey Palmer, a former prime minister of New Zealand. Turkey says it will expel the Israeli ambassador and downgrade diplomatic ties to their lowest level until Israel drops its refusal to apologize for the raid and provides compensation.
For more, we’re going to go to Ramallah, where we’re joined by Huwaida Arraf, one of the organizers of the Free Gaza flotilla movement. She’s on one of—she was on one of the six ships that were in the Gaza flotilla when the Mavi Marmara was attacked. She’s joining us by Democracy Now! audio stream. And here in New York, we’re joined by Norman Finkelstein, author of a number of books on Israel-Palestine conflict, including 'This Time We Went Too Far': Truth & Consequences of the Gaza Invasion.
In Ramallah, Huwaida Arraf, your response to the leaked report—the New York Times posted it online—of the U.N.?
HUWAIDA ARRAF: Hi, Amy, Juan, Norman.
Sadly, it’s a completely expected whitewash of Israeli crimes. This panel’s composition—not only its composition, but its mandate—was problematic in so many ways. And it wasn’t designed to get at the truth of what happened or to achieve—to get at justice for the victims of Israel’s attack, but rather to arrive at political compromise between Israel and Turkey. And that’s what we have. It’s an attempt to whitewash the crimes, set them aside, and in addition, it came up with some outrageous claims that completely contradict the findings of numerous human rights organizations and international law authorities, including various bodies of the U.N. itself, about the legality of the Israeli blockade. So, very problematic.
JUAN GONZALEZ: And the report’s criticism or faulting of one organization, in particular, a Turkish organization, that had some members—helped organize the flotilla. Could you talk about what it said and your response to that?
HUWAIDA ARRAF: Sure. It did say—you did quote that we were 'reckless,' but it also said that Israeli soldiers faced organized violence when they tried to board the Mavi Marmara, which is completely untrue. We spent a long time preparing for this flotilla. And our—everything that we prepared, the passengers and our—the foundations of our movement and what we do is based on nonviolent direct action resistance.
This is not to deny that Israeli soldiers did face some attacks when they boarded, but you can’t say that these attacks were anything more than self-defense, because of the obnoxious way in which Israeli soldiers—and very violent way in which they took over the ships, in the way that was intended to cause tremendous fear and commotion. They boarded the ships firing, even on our very small boat. The boat that I was on was traveling right next to the Mavi Marmara, and we only had about 17 people on that boat. They boarded, beating down people, using tasers, firing stun grenades and paintball pellet at people’s faces. It was completely uncalled-for violence, so that some people, a handful out of 700 volunteers, reacted in what can be called a violent way. It was self-defense, so it was in no way organized. And this is—I’m saying this, being part of the central organizing committee of the flotilla.
AMY GOODMAN: The U.N.'s report notes that, quote, "On the basis of public statements by the flotilla organizers and their own internal documentation, the Panel is satisfied that as much as their expressed purpose of providing humanitarian aid, one of the primary objectives of the flotilla organizers was to generate publicity about the situation in Gaza by attempting to breach Israel's naval blockade. The purposes of the flotilla were clearly expressed in a document prepared by IHH and signed by all flotilla participants," unquote.
The report then cites the document’s statement of purpose, which reads, quote, "Purposes of this journey are to create an awareness amongst world public and international organizations on the inhumane and unjust embargo on Palestine and to contribute to end this embargo which clearly violates human rights and delivering humanitarian relief to the Palestinians."
Norm Finkelstein, your response?
NORMAN FINKELSTEIN: Well, I noticed that Juan was looking perplexed at that statement. I have to say, last night, when I was reading the report, I was completely dumbfounded, and I had to keep repeating—rereading these passages over and over again. What the report stated—and all of your listeners should hear closely, because it was so shocking, so morally debased—the report said that we doubt, or we question, the true motives of the organizers of the flotilla. They said, we have evidence that their real motive was not humanitarian. And the statement that you just quoted was the evidence that their real motive was not humanitarian, that they had this really sinister, nefarious motive. Their real motive was not humanitarian; the real motive was, they said, the report said, to cast publicity on Israel’s illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza.
Now I have to say, that is—and I’m meaning this literally—it is a new low. I read all the Israeli reports, in particular the Turkel report, the one put out by the former Supreme Court justice. It’s about 300 pages. They never stooped to that level. They claimed that this handful of what they call jihadists, that they were looking for a confrontation with Israelis or the Israeli soldiers, and they brought on weapons for a confrontation. This report does not claim that they were looking for a confrontation. It holds them morally culpable for trying to cast publicity on an illegal and inhumane blockade. With the Israelis, at least we’re in the same moral universe, and it’s a question of fact. What was the intent of these commandos—excuse me, what was the intent of the activists? Was it to get a confrontation, or was it to cast humanitarian—cast light on what’s happening? But with this report, we’ve entered a new moral universe. They are actually saying that to cast light on an illegal and inhumane blockade is a morally sinister act.
JUAN GONZALEZ: I’d like to ask, there were four members on this committee: one from Turkey, one from Israel, then there were two supposedly independent ones, the former prime minister of New Zealand and Álvaro Uribe, the former president of Colombia, who himself presided over a period of the most—the highest level of extrajudicial killings and assassinations in his own country. It seems amazingly strange to have someone like Álvaro Uribe on this panel as an objective member of the committee.
AMY GOODMAN: The Colombian president.
NORMAN FINKELSTEIN: Well, it was clear from the moment that Ban Ki-moon, the alleged secretary-general of the United Nations—it was clear from the moment he appointed Uribe on the panel that it was going to be a farce. Beyond all the crimes for which Mr. Uribe has been accused and also have been documented, he was also known as being very close to Israel and advocating closer military relations with Israel. So, from the get-go, from the moment the members were named, it was clear which way the report was going to go.
But, you know, you always wonder, what are they going to come up with? How could they possibly justify certain things? They said that the blockade of Gaza—now, we have to be clear. They said the naval blockade was legal. They separated it from the land blockade, for technical reasons, which it’s no point in going into here. But they said the naval blockade was legal. And the grounds they gave were this: that Israel clearly faces security problems from Gaza, the rocket and mortar fire. OK. And they say, to document this security problem, since 2001, some 25 Israelis have been killed by these rocket and mortar attacks. Fair enough. And then they say that many people have suffered psychologically, psychological trauma from these attacks. Fair enough.
Then there’s the other side of the equation. There is not one word, one syllable, on how many Gazans have perished as a result of Israeli attacks. It’s not 25. It’s not 250. It’s at least at an order of magnitude of 2,500. We’re not just talking about the 1,400 Palestinians who were killed in Operation Cast Lead. Israel always has operations in Gaza, has very fancy names—Operation Summer Rains, Operation Autumn Clouds, Operation Hot Winter, Operation Rainbow. All of it vanishes from this report. The only people who have suffered deaths in Gaza due to armed hostilities are Israelis.
Now, let’s say it’s true. Fair enough. They have a right to impose a naval blockade to prevent weapons from going to Gaza, for security reasons. Don’t the people of Gaza have the right to impose a military blockade on Israel, to prevent weapons from going to Israel? You can’t even raise that question. It’s beyond their comprehension. In fact, the irony is, that’s the law. The law is, as Amnesty International pointed out in its report 'Fueling Conflict,' under international law and domestic American law, it’s illegal to transfer weapons to any country or—any state or non-state party which is a consistent violator of human rights. So, if that commission, the Palmer Commission, named after, you know, the former New Zealand president, if they had any integrity, they would have said, OK, Israel has the right to impose a blockade on Gaza, and the international community" — because this is what Amnesty said. Amnesty says the international community has an obligation—that’s what they said—to impose an arms embargo on Israel, as well, because it’s a consistent violator of human rights.
AMY GOODMAN: I want—I wanted to bring Huwaida Arraf back into the discussion, who’s in Ramallah, chair of the Free Gaza Movement, was part of the aid flotilla last year that the Mavi Marmara was a part of. The U.N. investigation did accuse Israel of excessive and unreasonable force. Now Turkey has announced the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador, the suspension of military cooperation, hours before the report was published. But also, in the last attempts of the Gaza flotilla, just in the last months, they themselves stopped a ship from going forward. Can you talk about all of this, Huwaida?
HUWAIDA ARRAF: Sure. Really quickly, I’d like to just touch on a couple of important points that Norman made, the first one being about the legality of the blockade. And Norman did say that they considered it very separate from the rest of the closure, which has been declared completely illegal and a violation of Israel’s obligations, so there’s no way that this maritime blockade can be legal, no matter what way you look at it. It’s a violation of Israel’s obligations under international law as an occupying power.
Also, in regards to Uribe and the problems that Norman mentioned, the other thing is that he is known to have a complete disdain for human rights defenders. And you can look at complaints from human rights organizations within Colombia. Also, an organization called Human Rights First called this out, that him referring to human rights defenders as 'terrorist sympathizers' endangers human rights defenders. So, from the start, he had a disdain for people like us who like to call attention to and take action, nonviolent action, against these human rights abuses.
And the last really important thing before I get to your question is this report and the attention that it’s supposed to get, when we already had an independent U.N. fact-finding mission that released a report almost one year ago, comprehensive, interviewed over a hundred victims and participants, and that was put together by scholars in international law and known judges on international tribunals. This should be the authority on what actually happened, not this farce of a report.
But in terms of what you said about Turkey stopping—about being part of stopping the last flotilla, known as Freedom Flotilla 2, which was supposed to launch last summer, or this past summer, not exactly. It was Israel placed a lot of pressure on a lot of countries, the European countries, to stop their citizens from participating. Not many—you know, some leaders of these countries made statements that the flotilla is not helpful and that they warn their citizens not to take part. But the country that was—that really cooperated with Israel—and it was a shock and quite sad—was Greece. And it did—we did learn that it came under a lot of political and economic pressure also because of the economic situation that they’re in. But they did impose restrictions and did not let our boats leave. So it really became complicit in Israel’s blockade. And we are challenging that on different levels.
Turkey itself didn’t really. It did communicate to us and to our Turkish partners that it might not be helpful at this time, but what happened—but the Turkish organization IHH remained fully a part of the flotilla. The Mavi Marmara was not able to go, because it was not physically, mechanically ready to go. In fact, up until the date that we were supposed to launch, they still had people working to meet all of the guidelines for being certified to go into international waters on the kind of mission that we wanted it to. So we knew—at a point, we realized it wasn’t going to be ready, and we took that boat out of the equation. But the Turks remained fully a part of the organizing. And in fact, we were going to launch one boat from Turkey. One of the boats—it was the Irish ship—was located in Turkey, but it was sabotaged by, we believe, Israeli agents and was not able to launch. So, they didn’t really place any barriers, certainly not like Greece did.
AMY GOODMAN: But the fact that this report did find that Israel’s use of force was excessive and unreasonable, and the significance of Turkey expelling the Israeli ambassador?
HUWAIDA ARRAF: Definitely. Well, it’s kind of funny that Turkey expelled the Israeli ambassador today after the release of this report, because the whole point of this report was to reach a political compromise and to repair the relation between Israel and Turkey. And we’re glad that Turkey has taken the position that it has taken. And in fact, Turkey’s foreign minister has said that it’s time that Israel paid a price. And it’s true, because Israel does not pay a price for any of its human rights violations. It continues to act with impunity. And even the fact that this report did say Israel acted using excessive force, it doesn’t—it doesn’t go enough to—money or paying compensation is not—is no kind of justice for the families or for the people that—for the victims of Israel’s actions. And that’s what we want to see. We want to see some kind of accountability. And that’s different from the U.N. report that was issued last September by the independent fact-finding mission, WHICH RECOMMENDED THAT HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSERS BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. And that’s what we’re waiting to see. So, this report, the Uribe-Palmer report, pays some lip service to the victims, but its main—again, its main goal, to repair relations, and we’re glad to see that Turkey is not falling for that.
NORMAN FINKELSTEIN: I’d like to say—
JUAN GONZALEZ: Norman, if we can, we just have a little bit of time.
NORMAN FINKELSTEIN: Sure.
JUAN GONZALEZ: If you could just briefly talk about the implications of this report coming out now and the continuing schism between Turkey and Israel, as we head into the United Nations vote on Palestinian statehood.
NORMAN FINKELSTEIN: Well, actually, many Israelis worried that this would be Pyrrhic victory for the Israeli government, because being so stubborn about refusing to make an apology—there are two of consecutive words that just don’t translate into Hebrew. The two words, consecutive words, are 'excuse me.' They can’t comprehend that. And the Israeli—many Israeli officials were saying, 'Make the apology, because we need Turkey. Turkey is our—has historically been our strongest ally in the Muslim world. Things are now turbulent with our other main ally in the Arab world, Egypt. Make the apology, and move on.' But there were members of the Netanyahu government—in particular, Mr. Lieberman, the foreign minister, and his party—who refused, because they said if they made the apology, Erdogan, the prime minister of Turkey, would run with it and would embarrass the Israelis, and Israelis would be humiliated. But they didn’t think it was a wise move. And actually, I don’t think it is, either. Losing the military relationship with Turkey, suspension of diplomatic relations, and now you know Turkey, when the state issue—statehood issue comes up in September, they are going to be in the forefront now, because Erdogan has been humiliated by this report. It was a complete spit in the face of the Turks, what this report said.
So I think, from a moral point of view, it was a disgrace. But from a political point of view, it will probably end up helping the Palestinians. You have to remember the whole point of the report. It described the killing of the nine members of the—on the—passengers on the Mavi Marmara. You know the phrase they used? It was a 'major irritant' to diplomatic relations. KILLING NINE PEOPLE IS AN 'IRRITANT'?! And they said, 'We have to get over this irritant, so that Israel and Turkey can restore diplomatic relations.' That’s their moral level.
AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to leave it there. Norman Finkelstein, we thank you for being with us, author of, among other books, 'This Time We Went Too Far': Truth & Consequences of the Gaza Invasion, and Huwaida Arraf, chair of the Free Gaza Movement, co-founder of the International Solidarity Movement, was on one of the six ships that were in the Gaza flotilla when the Mavi Marmara was attacked. She was joining us from Ramallah, on the West Bank." - Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 9/2/11
- PROGRESS! -
"Abbas Affirms Palestinian Bid for U.N. Membership
RAMALLAH West Bank — President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority said Monday that he was going to the United Nations this month to seek membership for a state of Palestine, not instead of negotiations with Israel, but in addition to them. His goal, he said, was for a Palestinian state and Israel to live in peace and security next to one another.
Even after any recognition by the United Nations, Mr. Abbas said, his hope is to negotiate with Israel.
'Our first, second and third priority is negotiations,' he said. 'There is no other way to solve this. No matter what happens at the United Nations, we have to return to negotiations.'
MR. ABBAS WAS SPEAKING IN HIS OFFICE TO 20 LEFT-WING ISRAELI INTELLECTUALS AND ARTISTS WHO HAD COME TO URGE HIM TO GO TO THE UNITED NATIONS DESPITE THEIR GOVERNMENT’S OPPOSITION. JOURNALISTS WERE INVITED TO COVER THE MEETING.
Abbas told the group that he had met abroad secretly three times in recent months with President Shimon Peres of Israel — in London and Rome, and in Amman, Jordan. A fourth meeting was called off by Mr. Peres. Mr. Abbas said he also held a previously undisclosed meeting with Israel’s defense minister, Ehud Barak, 10 days ago.
The United States is opposed to a Palestinian bid for membership in United Nations. Senior American officials are due here this week to try to persuade the Palestinians to drop their effort.
Mr. Abbas said the Palestinians planned to start their membership drive with the Security Council despite a vow by the Obama administration to exercise its veto there. It is expected that the Palestinians’s next step would be in the General Assembly, where there is no veto but which can grant only observer status, not full membership.
'Some Israelis complain that this is a unilateral move, but when you address 193 countries, that is not unilateral,' he said. 'We are going to complain that as Palestinians we have been under occupation for 63 years.'
'We don’t want to isolate Israel but to live with it in peace and security,' he also said. 'We don’t want to delegitimize Israel. We want to legitimize ourselves.'
'We have good coordination to prevent terror and keep the situation calm and quiet,' he said. 'We will continue to do our job. Security will prevail as long as I am in office.'
But Abbas also said that if he came to the conclusion that he had failed his people, he would resign.
EARLIER IN THE DAY, ISRAELI SETTLERS IN THE WEST BANK TRIED TO SET A FIRE INSIDE A DISUSED MOSQUE TO PROTEST THE ISRAELI MILITARY’S DESTRUCTION OF THREE SETTLER HOUSES AT AN ILLEGAL OUTPOST." - Bronner N Y Times 9/6/11
"Diplomatic Strains Intensify Between Turkey and Israel
By Ethan Bronner & Sebnem Arsu
JERUSALEM - Tensions between Israel and Turkey mounted further on Monday, as Turkish officials ordered senior Israeli diplomats to leave the country by midweek and Israeli passengers arriving at the Istanbul airport were taken aside and questioned for 90 minutes by officials. Turkish officials said that Turkish tourists were treated the same way at the Tel Aviv airport last week.
The fraying relationship — once Israel’s strongest with a Muslim country, with hundreds of thousands of visitors traveling in each direction — unwound further last week when Israel said it would not apologize for the deaths of nine Turks and an American of Turkish origin last year on a flotilla seeking to break Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza.
Turkey has also threatened to seek international legal measures against Israel’s Gaza blockade and use its navy in the eastern Mediterranean to protect its actions there.
'AS A LITTORAL STATE WHICH HAS THE LONGEST COASTLINE IN THE EASTERN MEDITERRANEAN, TURKEY WILL TAKE WHATEVER MEASURES IT DEEMS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION IN THE EASTERN MEDITERRANEAN,' THE FOREIGN MINISTER, AHMET DAVUTOGLU, SAID IN ANKARA.
MINISTRY OFFICIALS DELINED TO GIVE SPECIFICS. TURKISH NEWS REPORTS SUGGESTED THAT THE MEASURES MIGHT INCLUDE NAVAL ESCORTS FOR ANY AID BOATS OR FLOTILLAS DESTINED FOR GAZA IN THE FUTURE.
Alon Liel, a former Israeli ambassador to Turkey, said in an interview that Turkey might be thinking of interfering with future Israeli gas exports to Cyprus by placing its navy in between. He said that Israel exports about $2 billion in goods a year to Turkey, and that about half of that was oil and chemical products.
Mr. Liel, who is no longer in government, was critical of Israel’s actions in this affair, saying relations with Turkey could have been saved. He now worries that Egypt and Jordan will come under domestic pressure to expel Israeli ambassadors, especially as uprisings have spread.
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey is planning to visit Egypt next week and has raised the possibility of going from there to Gaza, which would be a direct challenge to Israel. But most analysts predicted that he would drop the idea of visiting Gaza, which is controlled by the militant group Hamas, to avoid alienating Turkey’s American and other Western allies.
Some in the Israeli government urged Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to offer the apology to salvage relations with Turkey. But he and most of those around him believe that Turkey is uninterested in such a move. Many analysts in both countries said the relationship would not improve soon.
'NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS ABOUT THE CONTINUATION OF THEIR HISTORICAL ALLIANCE, THE RELATIONSHIP CROSSED THE RUBICON — THE RED LINE,' SAID CENGIZ CANDAR, A TURKISH JOURNALIST AND ANALYST. 'TURKEY NOW CLAIMS THE LEADERSHIP OF THE ARAB WORLD THAT EGYPT ONCE HELD, AND THEREFORE IT IS IN COMPETITION WITH IRAN. IT IS IN A STANDOFF WITH ISRAEL IN A DISPLAY OF POWER.' - Bronner & Arsu N Y Times 9/6/11
THE JEWISH PERSPECTIVE
- "Elusive Line Defines Lives in Israel and the West Bank -
BARTAA, West Bank - For decades Israel has tried to erase from public consciousness the Green Line, the pre-1967 boundary with the West Bank at the heart of stalled negotiations for a Palestinian state.
Israel has built on either side of the Green Line and deleted it from textbooks and weather maps. Israeli drivers plying the main Tel Aviv-Jerusalem highway crisscross the unmarked line at the Latrun Interchange every second of the day, slicing through half a mile of West Bank territory and several more miles of no man’s land, oblivious to the area’s fraught history.
In Jerusalem, where Israel annexed the eastern part of the city and its holy sites after the 1967 war, a new light rail system traverses a patchwork of Jewish and Palestinian neighborhoods, gliding blithely across the invisible boundaries.
Yet a recent journey along the line, from the northernmost Jalama checkpoint to the tiny villages of Al Ghuwein and Sansana in the arid hills of the south, shows that despite attempts to blur it physically, Israel has carefully preserved the line in legal and administrative terms, and it defines lives on both sides.

In Jerusalem, a new train follows the Old City walls.
The light rail project has come under political attack
because it runs through mostly Palestinian East Jerusalem.
[ We are subject to the most threatening force on the planet, an Israel desperate to control the Middle East, at all costs.
...The details appear in our last item (...while we incorporate a new feature...): "Beyond Cairo, Israel Sensing A Wider Siege" - Ethan Bronner, JERUSALEM, 9/11/11 ]
A Teaser -
"JERUSALEM - With its Cairo embassy ransacked, its ambassador to Turkey expelled and the Palestinians seeking statehood recognition at the United Nations, Israel found itself on Saturday increasingly isolated and grappling with a radically transformed Middle East where it believes its options are limited and poor.
The diplomatic crisis, in which winds unleashed by the Arab Spring are now casting a chill over the region, was crystallized by the scene of Israeli military jets sweeping into Cairo at dawn on Saturday to evacuate diplomats after the Israeli Embassy had been besieged by thousands of protesters." [Page 6.]
To be continued -
The Obama administration has called for negotiations for a Palestinian state with borders based on the 1967 boundaries, with mutually agreed land swaps. In the absence of talks, the Palestinian leadership plans to seek recognition of statehood within the 1967 borders at the United Nations this month.
Israel rejects the Green Line as indefensible. At its narrowest point from the Mediterranean coast to the line, Israel is only about nine miles wide — a two-minute helicopter ride. Compounding Israelis’ sense of vulnerability, the coastal plain fringed by the pre-1967 boundary rises up into a commanding mountain ridge running through the West Bank, which fell on the Arab-held side of the line until Israel occupied the territory after the 1967 war and placed it under military rule.
Successive Israeli governments established Jewish settlements on the West Bank hilltops, encouraged by Israeli religious nationalists who claim the area as part of their biblical birthright. For Palestinian officials emboldened by the rise of Palestinian nationalism, what began as a temporary cease-fire line has become holy.
- Invisible Wall -

An Elusive Line Defines Lives
in Israel and the West Bank
'If the Israelis do not recognize this line,' said Nazmi al-Jubeh, a Palestinian historian and a former negotiator, 'it means that they do not recognize the territory beyond it as occupied.'
Yet many Palestinians still harbor claims to the land on the Israeli side and reject any partition of the pre-1948 British Mandate of Palestine.
Driving the Green Line is like weaving a path between parallel universes, along a seam that is both present and absent, and that fuses and divides.
Invisible Wall
The Green Line was delineated as Israeli and Jordanian officers negotiated an armistice in the months after the 1948 Arab-Israeli war; it was named for the green marker with which it was drawn. The line held until 1967, when Israel captured the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, along with the Egyptian-held Gaza Strip and the Syrian Golan Heights.
While the boundary largely separates the Israelis from the Palestinians, about 1.5 million Palestinian Arabs are citizens of Israel, and more than 500,000 Israeli Jews now live east of the Green Line.
But for the Palestinians, the old line already serves as a virtual border, though one without a state on the other side.
Here in Bartaa, a northern Arab village that straddles the Green Line in the area known as Wadi Ara, one encounters a quirky reality where the Green Line is alternately ignored and enforced — a paradox that, by extension, can be applied to the entire land.
Bartaa’s market spreads across a narrow valley that is dissected by crossroads. It is a riot of noise and color, with stores displaying gaudy evening gowns and plastic toys strung above the sidewalks. Only a well-informed traveler would know that the eastern half of the market sits in the West Bank, and the western half in Israel.
The Green Line runs, unmarked, right through the market, an imaginary wall separating two parts of a village that has long been inhabited by one extended family, the Kabha clan.
With Israel’s conquest of the West Bank in 1967, the hostile frontier evaporated and the two parts of Bartaa were reunited, the western part being part of Israel and the eastern part falling under Israeli military rule. Then, when Israel constructed the West Bank security barrier, which it said was essential to prevent suicide bombers, it looped the fence east of Bartaa, deeper into the West Bank territory. Although Palestinians see the barrier as a land grab, in this particular case, the villagers accepted it as the lesser of two evils, to prevent them from being redivided.
Israeli Jews and Arabs pour into West Bank Bartaa on weekends to take advantage of the lower prices. But since the 1990s, when Israel began requiring permits for the entry of Palestinians and tightened security measures as a result of terrorism, the West Bank Kabhas have been prohibited from crossing over the road into Israel.
[ Palestinians restricted from their own land? And the Israelis are threatened by terrorism? Au contraire! The Israelis welcome the opportunity to kill Palestinians! They've been doing it for 60-odd years! ]
Many in West Bank Bartaa have gotten around the problem by marrying relatives on the Israeli side, which gives them a different status. But others, like Abed Kabha, a Palestinian born here in 1967 who runs a grocery store on the West Bank side, have to apply for special permits to enter Israel. They say they stick to their own side of the village for fear of being caught by Israeli border police patrols, although the Israeli military authorities say that within Bartaa, they tend to turn a blind eye.
Until 12 years ago, Mr. Kabha worked in gardening in the Tel Aviv area. Now, he says, he crosses the market only 'for weddings and funerals.'
- Worlds Apart -
For many Israelis, being near or just over the Green Line is a matter of little consequence — so much so that some Israelis are not always sure which side they are on. By contrast, Palestinians living near the line are mindful of every inch of soil.
In the late 1990s, four idealists from the Tel Aviv area approached Ariel Sharon, then a government minister, with the idea of establishing a new community on the sandy dunes of Halutza in the Negev Desert, in southern Israel. Mr. Sharon sent them to a former army base called Sansana in the Negev. Like the forests that Israel planted there, the abandoned barracks hugged the Israeli side of the Green Line. But according to Eliram Azulai, 34, the secretary of Sansana, it soon transpired that the plan was to expand the village into the West Bank.
Mr. Azulai and his neighbors, many of whom are doctors or work in high-technology industries, unwittingly became settlers as Sansana grew to incorporate an adjacent West Bank hilltop. Mr. Azulai said that at the time 'nobody asked questions.' Being sent to live on the Green Line, or across it, he said, 'was not an issue.'
Sansana is a rare case of an Israeli community that straddles the Green Line. But even here, Israel has scrupulously maintained the administrative distinction. The 50 prefabricated homes on the Israeli side of the village were authorized by a district committee in southern Israel. The 60 permanent homes going up on the West Bank side had to be approved by the Israeli military and the Ministry of Defense.
Not far from Sansana, in the sparsely populated hills south of Hebron in the West Bank, lies Upper Ghuwein, an unofficial Palestinian encampment. Here, two extended families graze sheep and goats and tease crops from the parched earth. Half a mile away, the fence, part of Israel’s barrier, courses along the Green Line where the beige earth meets Israeli forest. The red roofs of Shani, a small settlement, peep through the trees.
In Upper Ghuwein, by contrast with the accidental settlers of Sansana, the history of every stone, tree and contour of the land is scored into consciousness.
Khader Hawamdi, 77, recalls Israeli and Jordanian officers walking with maps in the valley below, marking the armistice line with barrels. He says the villagers were told to move to this point, farther up the hill.

Palestinians line up at a checkpoint to cross the West Bank barrier on their way to Jerusalem for Friday prayers. Israel says the barrier is being built to prevent terrorist attacks, but Palestinians argue that much of the barrier is illegal because it extends into the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
But Upper Ghuwein was never recognized by the Israeli authorities. Its residents cannot get building permits, so they live in temporary shacks and their original cave dwellings. Only recently, the Palestinian Authority, which now governs certain aspects of the Palestinians’ lives in the West Bank, hooked up the village to electricity. Children as young as 5 walk about four miles to the nearest school in the Palestinian village of Samua.
The clans here claim vast amounts of ancestral land on either side of the Green Line, and concepts like borders and statehood have little meaning. They cling to the place despite the hardship.
'We stay here,' said Khawla Ismail Daghamin, 37, a weathered mother of 10, 'because if we leave, the Jews will take the land.'
- Refugees Close to Home -
All along the line are stories of Palestinian resentment and nostalgia for what was left behind. But in this complex area, nothing remains static for long.
The village of Walajeh nestles in the terraced hills between Jerusalem and Bethlehem, just across the Green Line in the West Bank, straddling the Jerusalem city limits. Its residents crossed into Jordanian-held territory during the fighting in 1948, when the original village, in what is now Israel, came under attack from the Zionist forces.
Until the 1967 war, said Muhammad Abu al-Tin, 60, 'people thought they still might go back.'
Then, when the reality of the Arab defeat finally set in, he said, the villagers built permanent houses on the village lands on the West Bank side, having become refugees within sight of their former homes. 'AT NIGHT PEOPLE WOULD SNEAK BACK TO SEE THEIR BOMBED HOUSES,' HE RECALLED. THEY WERE LATER RAZED BY ISRAELI BULLDOZERS.
The Green Line still runs through the valley between the original village and the new one, marked by a section of the old Jerusalem-Jaffa railway.
Now, though, more of the village lands, and the view, are disappearing behind concrete as Israel constructs the latest section of its barrier here, separating Walajeh’s houses from Israeli territory and from the adjacent Jewish settlement of Har Gilo.
'The wall is eating up the village,' said Khaled Abu Tin, 45, another resident. 'If the wall was the final border of a state, that would be one thing,' he said. 'But here they change plans every year. You do not know where you are.'
Dislocation seems to be the common experience of many Israelis and Palestinians on either side of the boundary. Yet the Green Line remains the visible and invisible dividing line between two peoples and the core of the tortuous process of creating two states.
Gideon Avidor, 70, a retired Israeli brigadier general, stared out from the roof of a fort in the strategic Latrun bulge overlooking the main Tel Aviv-Jerusalem highway that was the site of one of the fiercest battles in the 1948 war. Israel eventually conquered the fort in 1967.
In theory, he said, with land swaps that would include keeping Latrun, among other places, the geography should not be a problem. The reality: First each side would have 'to decide to live alongside each other, or not to be looking to expel one another, in the simplest terms.'" - Isabel Kershner N Y Times 9/7/11
WILL ABBAS HOLD?
- "Palestinian Says U.S. 'Too Late' On U.N. Bid
RAMALLAH, West Bank - The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, said Thursday that last-ditch American and international ( ISRAELI ) efforts to prevent the Palestinians from applying for membership in the United Nations this month were 'too late.'
He said the Palestinians still intended to submit an application for recognition of Palestinian statehood to the Security Council as a first step, at risk of a confrontation with the United States.
'To be frank with you, they came too late,' Mr. Abbas told a group of foreign reporters on Thursday evening at the Mukata, his headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah. The international powers had 'wasted all the time' since the beginning of the year, he said, and even now, less than two weeks before the prospective bid at the United Nations, they still had not produced any concrete proposal.
Mr. Abbas was speaking after meeting in recent days with two senior American diplomats, David Hale and Dennis Ross, and Tony Blair ( both Ross and Blair are hired Netanyahu sycophants ), the envoy of the so-called quartet of Middle East peacemakers that includes the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations. He said he had also spoken by telephone with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton this week.
The United States has vowed to veto a vote on Palestinian statehood at the Security Council, saying that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be resolved only through direct negotiations.
Mr. Abbas said that if the quartet produced a package to pave the way back to negotiations that included an Israeli freeze on settlement construction and the use of the pre-1967 lines with agreed land swaps as the basis for talks on borders — both longstanding Palestinian demands — the Palestinians “will go to the United Nations and we will return back to talks.”
Israel has offered to enter talks at any time, but without preconditions. Israeli officials say that a United Nations vote in favor of Palestinian statehood based on the pre-1967 boundaries could set back peace negotiations for years, because no Palestinian leader would be able to accept anything less than what the United Nations accepts.
The Israeli minister of defense, Ehud Barak, called on Mr. Abbas on Thursday “to return to the negotiating table with no preconditions and to try to reach a breakthrough together.” He called on the quartet to help as best they could to this end.
Mr. Abbas said that he did not want a confrontation with the United States, but that a response would be up to the Americans.
The Palestinians have been deliberately vague about their exact plans. Some analysts view as brinkmanship the Palestinians’ stated intention of going first to the Security Council for a vote, rather than to the General Assembly; this would give Palestine a more modest status in the United Nations as an observer, nonmember state.
MR. ABBAS SAID THAT AFTER THEY ARRIVED AT THE UNITED NATIONS ON SEPT. 19, THE PALESTINIANS WOULD HAND THEIR APPLICATION TO SECRETARY GENERAL BAN KI-MOON FOR SUBMISSION TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL, AND THAT A COPY WOULD GO TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CHIEF. THEN, HE SAID, THE PALESTINIANS WILL SEE WHAT OCCURS.
Earlier Thursday, Palestinian officials and supporters kicked off a popular campaign to accompany the United Nations bid, with several dozen people marching to the United Nations headquarters in Ramallah.
Elsewhere in the West Bank, Israeli settlers were widely suspected of having sprayed Hebrew graffiti on a mosque and setting fire to two cars belonging to Palestinians on Thursday, to protest the Israeli military’s destruction of three settlers’ houses at an illegal outpost earlier this week. On Monday, Israeli settlers tried to set a fire inside an unused mosque in another West Bank village." - Kershner N Y Times 9/9/11
- Amy Goodman & DemocracyNow -
* September 8, 2011
- "U.S. Pressures Palestinians to Drop Statehood Bid
The Obama administration is ramping up efforts to subvert a Palestinian effort to seek statehood recognition at the United Nations later this month. The White House has claimed to support an independent Palestinian state as part of a two-state solution but has harshly opposed the Palestinian Authority’s campaign to achieve just that. On Wednesday, Obama aides David Hale and Dennis Ross met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in a last-ditch attempt to block the statehood move. At a nearby square in Ramallah, a Palestinian protester denounced the U.S. pressure.
Protester: 'These Americans are not bringing blessings to us. They came to terrify us. We tell the President, Abu Mazen, that Palestinian people are united. We tell the President, Abu Mazen, that the Palestinian people want you to continue your step and to go to the United Nations. Abu Mazen, do not give up. Abu Mazen, do not hesitate. The Palestinian people are with you.'
- "Palestinian Authority Cites Obama in Pro-Statehood Ads
As the United States attempts to quash the statehood bid, Palestinian leaders are using President Obama’s own words in a public effort to drum up support for their campaign. A radio ad sponsored by the Palestinian Authority quotes President Obama’s support for Palestinian statehood in a speech before the U.N. General Assembly last year.
President Obama: 'When we come back here next year, we can have an agreement that will lead to a new member of the United Nations, an independent, sovereign state of Palestine living in peace with Israel.'
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas is then heard in the ad saying, 'If [President Obama] said it, he must have meant it.'
* September 9, 2011
- "Report: U.S. Mulls Staging Troops in Kuwait After Iraq Withdrawal
The Obama administration is reportedly considering staging U.S. troops in Kuwait following the scheduled military withdrawal from neighboring Iraq at the end of the year. According to the Associated Press, the proposal is among a number being considered ahead of the withdrawal deadline. The Obama administration has already said it favors a plan that would leave up to 5,000 troops in Iraq IN ADDITION TO THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CONTRACTORS AND CIA PERSONNEL SLATED TO REMAIN.
- "U.S. Confirms It Will Veto Palestinian Statehood at United Nations
The Obama administration has confirmed it will veto U.N. recognition of a Palestinian state if it is brought up for a Security Council vote. The White House has sought to block the statehood bid despite publicly claiming to support a Palestinian state. On Thursday, Palestinians officially kicked off the statehood campaign with a march in the West Bank town of Ramallah.
- "Non-Aligned Countries Back Palestinian State
As the United States attempts to disrupt the Palestinian bid for statehood at the United Nations, the 120 countries in the Non-Aligned Movement have announced they will vote for Palestinian statehood when it comes up at the United Nations. Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohamed Amr announced the decision.
Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohamed Amr: 'The majority of the Non-Aligned Movement members will endorse a resolution in the General Assembly, if it comes to that (the vote), upholding the right of the Palestinian people to have a full-fledged membership at the United Nations ( ...with the Palestinian capital in Arab East Jerusalem! ).'
- "REPORT: ISRAEL DOUBLES SETTLEMENT CONSTRUCTION SINCE ENDING PARTIAL FREEZE
Palestinians are seeking statehood recognition at the United Nations as Israel continues a MASSIVE expansion of settlements in the occupied West Bank. A new report from the Israeli group Peace Now! says settlement construction has doubled in comparison to building projects in Israel proper since the end of a partial freeze last year. Peace Now!’s Hagit Ofran said Israel has more than made up for the settlement construction it briefly put on hold.
Hagit Ofran: 'Our report shows that there were almost 2,600 units started in settlements after the settlement freeze, which means that all of the freeze (achievements) was already erased. The number of construction in Israel is half of the number of construction in the settlements. And we believe that the government of Israel is working against the Israeli interest, which is not to build in settlements and to make peace with the Palestinians.'" - Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 9/9/11
The Fates, "The Three Goddesses of Destiny", abound for Mahmoud Abbas! Will he prove worthy?
- In the meantime, September 14, 2011 (Thanks to "Here and Now")... -
Robin Young: Israel is now center stage in world politics. Its embassy attacked last week in Egypt. Its long time failed negotiations partner, the Palestinian Authority, gaining support for a bid to bypass those stalled talks altogether, and request statehood at the UN next week. Today we want to take a look at the new chess board in the Middle East, the changed reality since the uprisings known as the Arab Spring, with Michael Slackman. He's deputy foreign editor for the New York Times and has covered the Middle East extensively as Cairo Bureau Chief for the paper. Michael welcome.
Michael Slackman: Hi Robin.
Robin Young: So, give us more of a sense of what's going on with the UN. A lot of people, you know, just come up from their summers. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has said he will submit a statehood application to the UN next Tuesday, but there are actors working furiously in front of and behind the scenes. Yesterday Turkey said that recognition of a Palestinian state is not a choice but an obligation. Germany is less happy, but Israel and the US firmly oppose. They would lose control of negotiations. So what is going on, who are the Palestinians negotiating with? What's happening?
Michael Slackman: Well, that's a big question, that's a lot. Basically what the U.., what the Palestinians are considering doing, and they've not specifically said what they are going to do when they get to the United Nations next week, which is the opening of the annual General Assembly. What they are looking to do is either ask the Security Council to declare them a state, which won't happen because the United States as a permanent member has already said it will veto it, which of course puts the United States in a very awkward position diplomatically with its allies, Arab allies in the Middle East. The other option would be to go before the General Assembly, and bear in mind when we say declare the Palestinians a state, it's in the context of the United Nations, which means that it wouldn't set it's borders, it wouldn't formally create any kind of capitol in East Jerusalem, all that would still be contingent on negotiations, obviously with Israel.
Robin Young: Well then I think that is the question that people have. What does this mean? You're a state, but what about all those roadblocks to all the talks over all the years? So you're saying this would be determined.
Michael Slackman: Well, in terms of facts on the ground, it would definitely put... let's hold on a second, General Assembly, let's start there because it seems that's where they're leaning. Given the comments the Palestinians made to our reporters in the Middle East yesterday, it appears that they're leaning towards asking the General Assembly to grant them what would be called Non-Member Status of the United Nations. They would be comparable to the Holy See, for example, where they would be able to join all of the conventions that other non-member states are allowed to, but would not be able to vote in the United Nations. That's what would effectively happen. Now the ramifications for that for Israel are; Palestinians could go to the Court of International... the International Court of Justice for example, International Criminal Court, and... against Israel regarding settlements, regarding check points, and all kinds of things that Israel would rather not be subject to in front of this court. It could also... there are other conventions that the Palestinians would also be party to and Israel doesn't want to have to deal with that.
Robin Young: Well now we understand that French diplomats are now trying to help the Palestinians shape a UN resolution, and it would somehow describe statehood along the 1967 lines, which, that's been a part of some of the talks involving possible land swaps and giving things up, but as you said it's more about sort of this observer status, so what is the sense that this is gonna happen?
Michael Slackman: It seems inevitable that this will go before the General Assembly now, and that it will likely pass. One of the reasons that I think everybody is upset about this, or I should say the United States and Israel, and some of Israel's allies are upset about this, is because it appears to be a de facto recognition that Oslo has failed. Oslo was the agreement the Palestinian Authority and Israel to move towards a negotiated settlement of the issues that would lead to a two state solution. So basically by doing this you set up a whole new paradigm for negotiations.
Robin Young: But some people are saying that possibly that's a good thing. That it hasn't happened in the other talks.
Michael Slackman: Well that's right. The Palestinians and their allies are saying that... Turkey, the Arab League yesterday said that in order to preserve the very concept of a two state solution we need to do this, because the other system has not worked. The Israelis and the Americans are saying if you do this, it forever undermines and eliminates the prospect of a two state solution.
Robin Young: Well, Michael Slackman, again Deputy Foreign Editor for the New York Times who has covered the Middle East extensively talking about the Palestinian move to make a bid for statehood, not through the two state solution talks that have been ongoing for decades but through the UN, in just about the minute we have before the break and then we'll take it up on the other side. Who's got the position of strength there, how much does the Arab uprising, the Arab Spring, how much does that change the chess board will open up.
Michael Slackman: Well the Arab uprising has clearly seemed to inspire the Palestinians to make this move now, as the Palestinian people have sat by watching as absolutely nothing happened on the ground over the period of years as they watched settlements increase both in East Jerusalem and the occupied territories. They've seen, you know, their brethren around the region cast off dictators and move towards more democratic societies. So I think they, they've very much been influenced by those events around the region.
Robin Young: Michael Slackman, again Deputy Foreign Editor for the New York Times weigh in on that, we have Israelis who are writing maybe this is the only way out, but on the other hand Ziad Asali, founder and president of the American Task Force on Palestine, arguing this is a dangerous move for Palestinians, that it will result in bitterness and economic sanctions that are being threatened, by the US.
Michael Slackman: Well look, I think one of the things that history, or modern history, has taught us is to really not try to predict where things are going to go. You know, who would have guessed just a short time ago that crowds in Egypt would be attacking the Israeli embassy and that Israel would have to, you know, send military jets in to evacuate its ambassador?...
Robin Young: And let's examine, let's just take a second, I'm sorry Michael, let's take a second to explain why that might be happening. Hosni Mubarak was a supporter of Israel. At least came as close to one in that region.
Michael Slackman: Well Hosni Mubarak was a supporter of the old paradigm. The old paradigm was built around the Camp David accords and later Oslo. He definitely though, played a double game that allowed deep and virulent anti-Israeli attitudes to exist, indeed fostered them in many ways back home in Egypt. Now that he's gone, and his regime is gone, the kind of bulwark against the anti-Israeli sentiment is gone, and people have developed a culture of protests now and they've seen the effect of taking to the streets. They've been deeply, deeply anti-Israel for a very long time and now that's what's coming to the fore.
Robin Young: Well, tell us what else might be happening. What other factors in the region might be shifting this paradigm now?
Michael Slackman: Well as I think you mentioned earlier, Turkey has taken a much bolder stance against Israel. It was at one time very close ally, it was probably the closest, certainly the closest Muslim nation allied with Israel. They had military and economic ties. I think they peaked in the nineties. Most recently those began to fray when Israel invaded Gaza several years ago in response to non-stop rocket fire. The Turks felt that it was a slap in the face, in part because they were not notified in advance, and in part because they felt very, a kinship with the Palestinians in Gaza, and they felt the Israeli military incursion and bombing was the wrong thing to do. Ever since then we've seen a drifting apart. And then you had efforts on the part of the Israelis to have an embargo on the Gaza strip. There was, was it a year ago? The flotilla of aid ships attempting... really what it was was not about bringing aid in, it was about attempting to demonstrate the ability to break Israel's blockade and siege of the Gaza Strip. Israeli commandos went...dropped down on one of these boats that was Turkish owned and in the ensuing chaos on board when the commandos were attacked ( NOT SO THE COMMANDOS WERE THE ATTACKERS! ) , they opened fire and killed something on the order of eight or nine Turks who were on the ship. Israel has since refused to apologize, they've said they regretted the deaths. The Turks have said that's not enough, they demanded an apology. In fact the Prime Minister has gone so far as to say he deemed the attack on their ship an act of war. And they, I think it was two weeks ago now, they expelled the Israeli ambassador, downgraded relations and have begun kind of a victory lap now around the Arab Spring countries. The Prime Minister was in Egypt yesterday, I believe he's there today, this is Prime Minister Erdogan we're talking about, and he went immediately on television and criticized Israel very sharply. He's now planning on travelling to Libya and Tunisia, other countries recently liberated from dictators, to promote his vision of the new Middle East as well.
Robin Young: So unsettling times for Israel in the Middle East.
Michael Slackman: Israel is increasingly isolated in the Middle East, and concerned about the relationship with Egypt in particular because they do share a very long border that has been effectively peaceful and it was something they didn't have to worry about. So they would have to reorient their entire military doctrine if the relationship with Egypt sours completely.
Robin Young: Well, and just, you mentioned Gaza and it reminds us that the Palestinians who are going to ask for statehood at the UN are...had been a divided people with Gaza controlled by the more militant Hamas and the West Bank controlled by Abbas' Fatah. Wha...how...who...do...are they in...do we know if their going together? We know there's been reconciliation between the two groups, but...
Michael Slackman: You know, you stumble on the question a little Robin because a lot of this is uncertain.
Robin Young: Right.
Michael Slackman: The Palestinians have clearly not been united on this. One day they announce they're going to the Security Council and their going to demand, they're going to put the US in the position of having to veto it because they want full state status, they don't want observer status. On the next day they announce they're leaning towards going to the General Assembly. So this is not Hamas. This is the Palestinian Authority, and Fatah, that is planning on going before the General Assembly. But presumably it would impact on the residents of the Gaza strip as well.
Robin Young: Well so, what now, today two key diplomats Dennis Ross and David Hale, US diplomats are due in the region for talks. What happens now? We mentioned the threat of sanctions against the Palestinian people, already struggling.
Michael Slackman: Let me give you an example of how complicated this is, with the diplomats handling this. Ok, United States Congress looks at the Palestinians and says...the Congress that is, that's very supportive of Israel, looks at Israel and the Palestinians and says 'you've now broken your agreements, you've gone outside Oslo, so we're gonna stop giving you money.'...
* WHOA! WE'RE GOING TO STOP GIVING THE PALESTINIANS A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR$, BUT CONTINUE WITH BILLION$ TO ISRAEL? SOUNDS LIKE OUR CONGRESS IS ISRAELI, NOT THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS!!! WAKE UP SLACKMAN!!!
...Well who does that hurt? It hurts the Palestinians, but the Israelis are also concerned because without the funds coming from Washington, they're concerned that the security arrangements that have been quite successful in safeguarding Israel from incursion by militants from the West Bank, and Gaza, will fall apart. So the Israelis are not so sure that they want financial sanctions on the Palestinians either, because ultimately it will land in their lap to have to deal with it.
Robin Young: Michael Slackman on the just incredibly complicated situation in the Mid-East, that's as we said moving very much to the front burner as Palestinians look for statehood through the UN. That'll happen next week. We'll continue to follow this story. Michael thanks for laying it out for us today.
Michael Slackman: Sure Robin.
- Palestinians See U.N. Bid as Their Most Viable Option
RAMALLAH, West Bank — "The Palestinian decision to apply for full United Nations membership at the Security Council, announced Friday by President Mahmoud Abbas, was the most viable of the only options possible: surrender, return to violence or appeal to the international community, a senior Palestinian official said Saturday.
The official, Nabil Shaath, spoke to journalists before leaving for New York as part of the Palestinian delegation heading to the United Nations. He said that the appeal would change the ground rules of the conflict, and that although the Obama administration had vowed to veto the request and Israel had threatened punitive countermeasures, the Arab uprisings should make them reconsider.

Nabil Shaath, a Palestinian official, this month. He spoke to
journalists on Saturday before leaving for the United Nations.
'If I were President Obama or Israel, I would ask myself what is happening in the region,' he said, adding of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel: 'Mr. Netanyahu is a pragmatist. If the odds change, he may change his calculations.'
Going to the Security Council instead of to the General Assembly, where there is no veto and where a pro-Palestinian majority is virtually guaranteed, has been considered a riskier and more confrontational approach because it invites an American veto.
But American, European and Israeli officials are now quietly arguing that the Security Council may prove easier for diplomats seeking a formula to get the Israelis and Palestinians back to negotiations. The application through the Security Council will take longer because it will involve letters, committee formation and most likely requests for more time to study the situation.
Mr. Netanyahu’s office seemed eager to sound open to renewing talks even after Mr. Abbas presents his membership request letter to the United Nations. It labeled the application useless rather than terminal and added, 'When the Palestinian Authority abandons these futile and unilateral measures at the U.N., it will find Israel to be a genuine partner for direct peace negotiations.'
Mr. Shaath himself said that while Mr. Abbas’s speech on Friday was aimed at 'reassuring our people and the world that we are not hesitating,' Mr. Abbas 'left a door open at the end.'
American and European officials are still hoping to produce a statement to be issued by the so-called Quartet — the diplomatic group focused on the Middle East that is made up of the United States, the European Union, the United Nations and Russia...
The "QUARTET" might consider the RECORD!
...to accompany any United Nations debate and serve as a point to restart negotiations.
But Mr. Shaath was blunt in his dismissal of the elements of a statement presented to Mr. Abbas on Thursday by Dennis B. Ross and David M. Hale, two senior American officials...
DENNIS ROSS, IN PARTICULAR, HAS LONG BEEN "BIBI'S FAVORITE AMERICAN ENVOY"
...TONY BLAIR, THE FORMER BRITISH PRIME MINISTER AND QUARTET REPRESENTATIVE, HAS BEEN THE CENTRAL PLAYER IN DRAFTING THE STATEMENT. Quartet envoys were due to meet in New York on Sunday.
MR. SHAATH SAID THE STATEMENT 'VIOLATED SIX PARAMETERS OF THE PEACE PROCESS,' INCLUDING ACCEPTING ISRAELI SETTLEMENT GROWTH, CALLING ISRAEL A 'JEWISH STATE,' PRE-EMPTING DISCUSSION OF A RIGHT TO RETURN FOR PALESTINIAN REFUGEES TO ISRAEL, AND REJECTING EFFORTS TO UNIFY RIVAL PALESTINIAN FACTIONS: FATAH, WHICH DOMINATES THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, AND HAMAS, WHICH RULES IN GAZA.
'I THINK THAT WAS THE FINAL BLOW, THE FINAL STRAW,' HE SAID OF THE STATEMENT PRESENTED AT THE MEETING WITH MR. ROSS AND MR. HALE. 'AFTER THAT, PRESIDENT ABBAS DECIDED TO GO TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL.'
Mr. Shaath said that when he himself saw the Quartet statement proposal: 'I gulped. This was the statement that was supposed to persuade President Abbas not to go?'...
...(1) 'MR. BLAIR DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A NEUTRAL INTERLOCUTOR. HE SOUNDS LIKE AN ISRAELI DIPLOMAT SOMETIMES.'
Mr. Shaath distributed a 35-page booklet he and his colleagues plan to give to every United Nations delegation. Titled 'Recognizing Palestine: An Investment in Peace,' (2) it lists four reasons the Palestinians have taken this course: ACTS BY ISRAEL THAT UNDERMINE PEACE, INTERNATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY TOWARD THE PALESTINIANS, THE GROWTH OF JEWISH SETTLEMENTS and INTENSIFYING ISRAELI DESIGNS ON EAST JERUSALEM.
In discussing these issues on Saturday, Mr. Shaath was particularly cutting about settlements. He said the new Quartet statement never mentioned them except as 'demographic changes since 1967' and 'new facts on the ground.'
'Mr. Netanyahu doesn’t want to pay any price,' he said. 'He wants no swaps. HE WANTS EVERYTHING FOR FREE.'
Israeli leaders make the same accusation of the Palestinians — they are unwilling to give up any of their longstanding demands and to recognize that after more than four decades, circumstances have changed.
Each side accuses the other of violating the Oslo Accords, the 1993 framework that rules their relationship, although neither is willing to declare Oslo dead, only moribund.
Mr. Shaath said that the United Nations move would bring new legitimacy to the Palestinian leadership which, under Mr. Abbas, had 'succeeded in bringing in a new culture of nonviolence,' adding, 'We are not going back to violence.' He said Palestinian security forces would make sure that street demonstrations in coming days would be contained and peaceful.
In an example, hundreds of Palestinian and Israeli women and supporters demonstrated on Saturday for an independent Palestine on both sides of the Kalandia checkpoint between Ramallah and Jerusalem.
The usually traffic-clogged crossing, a point of friction where young Palestinians often clash with Israeli soldiers, was closed to cars by the Israeli military. DESPITE THE THRONGS OF DEMONSTRATORS, THE ATMOSPHERE REMAINED CALM, WITH LITTLE OF THE USUAL STONE-THROWING BY RIOTERS OR FIRING OF TEAR GAS BY THE MILITARY. SOME PALESTINIAN YOUTHS MADE V-SIGNS AND POSED FOR PHOTOGRAPHS NEXT TO ISRAELI SOLDIERS." - Bronner & Kershner N Y Times 9/18/11

The above is a FULL-PAGE AD (A-12) in the 9/19/11 N Y Times!
** THESE ARE NOT ENOUGH?
AIPAC (The American Israel "Public" Affairs Committee), Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations (Do they have similar "Conferences" in Great Britain, France and Germany?), JCPA (Jewish Council for Public Affairs), The Jewish Federations of North America, AJC (American Jewish Committee), ADL (Anti-Defamation League), Union for Reform Judaism, Orthodox Union, The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, Jewish Reconstructionist Federation, HADASAH, NCJW (National Council of Jewish Women), American Jewish Congress, Women's League for Conservative Judaism, B'nai B'rith International, Jewish War Veterans of the United States, CEJL (Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life)
...THREE TO FIVE BILLION$ OF AMERICAN TREASURY SUPPORT, NOW FOR FORTY YEARS?
Our Message! IT'S TIME TO STAND WITH THE PALESTINIANS!!
Who's Interests Come First
For Obama -
The United States, or Israel?
"New Challenges for Obama
WASHINGTON - When President Obama sits down with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey on Tuesday at the United Nations, he will mark another chapter in what is perhaps the most intense relationship that he has cultivated with a foreign leader.
Like many such relationships, it has had its ups and downs. At a meeting in Toronto last year, after Turkey voted no to sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program, the two men had a combative two-hour exchange.
On Tuesday, administration officials said, Mr. Obama plans to lean hard on Mr. Erdogan to close Turkey’s bitter rift with Israel. In particular, the White House is worried about TURKEY’S THREAT TO USE ITS WARSHIPS TO ESCORT TURKISH RELIEF SHIPS BOUND FOR GAZA — A SITUATION THAT THE UNITED STATES FEARS COULD EASILY ESCALATE INTO A DEADLY CONFRONTATION." - Landler N Y Times 9/20/11
- To be continued
Fini, with appropriate Laurels, next!
AMY GOODMAN - DEMOCRACYNOW
SET THE PARAMETERS
- "Palestinians Bring Statehood Bid to the United Nations
* The Palestinian Authority is expected to officially submit its request for statehood recognition at the United Nations today in defiance of U.S. and Israeli threats. The Obama administration has lobbied against the move, and U.S. lawmakers have threatened to cut off funding ( We're going to cut off funding MILLION$ to the Palestinian Authority, but continue the BILLION$ to Netanyahu's Israel? ). Palestinian officials Saeb Erekat and Nabil Shaath said U.S. insistence on dead-end negotiations has forced the PA to take its bid before the United Nations.
Saeb Erekat: "Mr. Netanyahu’s maneuvers are public relations. So, enough. To say, 'Come and meet, and let's talk, and let’s negotiate,’ over what? You have to say it. Mr. Netanyahu has to say it: 'I accept to stop all settlement activities as my obligation, and I accept the two states on 1967.' And we don’t see any contradiction at that moment between resuming negotiations and seeking Palestinian admittance in the U.N."
Dr. Nabil Shaath: "Friday, 9/23/11, will be a day of jubilation in Palestine. The President Abbas will give his speech, he will send his request for membership to the Security Council, and he will leave that evening. And so, it’s a happy day."
Debate: "Does U.N. Statehood Bid Advance or Undermine Palestinian Struggle?
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is expected to officially submit a statehood request to the United Nations in defiance of U.S. and Israeli threats. A new joint Israeli-Palestinian poll shows the Obama administration’s stance on Palestinian recognition at the United Nations is MORE EXTREME than that of a strong majority of Israeli citizens, with 69 percent of Israelis saying their government should accept U.N. recognition of an independent Palestinian state. The survey also found 83 percent of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories support the bid. While supporters have hailed the bid as a step forward in the struggle to end the Israeli occupation and bring peace to the Middle East, critics call it a ploy by the Palestinian Authority to cling to power while undermining the rights of Palestinian refugees. We host a debate with two leading Palestinian analysts: Ali Abunimah, co-founder of the website The Electronic Intifada and author of "One Country: A Bold Proposal to End the Israeli-Palestinian Impasse," and Mouin Rabbani of the Institute for Palestine Studies and the webzine Jadaliyya.
Guests:
Ali Abunimah, co-founder of The Electronic Intifada and author of "One Country: A Bold Proposal to End the Israeli-Palestinian Impasse."
Mouin Rabbani, co-editor of Jadaliyya Ezine and Visiting Senior Fellow at the Institute for Palestine Studies. He previously he worked as Palestine Director of the Palestinian American Research Center.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is expected to officially submit a statehood request to the United Nations Security Council later today. The United States has vowed to veto the move!
[ ...And all the while we continue to send OUR THREE BILLION$ annually to Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu? ]
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I am convinced that there is no shortcut to the end of a conflict that has endured for decades. Peace is hard work. Peace will not come through statements and resolutions at the United Nations. If it were that easy, it would have been accomplished by now. Ultimately, it is the Israelis and the Palestinians who must live side by side. Ultimately, it is the Israelis and the Palestinians, not us, who must reach agreement on the issues that divide them, on borders and on security, on refugees and Jerusalem.
JUAN GONZALEZ: A new poll shows the Obama administration’s stance on Palestinian recognition at the United Nations is more extreme than that of a strong majority of Israeli citizens. A joint Israeli-Palestinian poll shows 69 percent of Israelis think their government should accept U.N. recognition of an independent Palestinian state. The survey also found 83 percent of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories supported the bid. Many Palestinians have expressed concern about the U.S. decision but remain committed to their goal.
KIMUR, Ramallah Resident: [translated] We have brought a lot to the table, and we have conceded a lot. We have given up on 78 PERCENT OF THE LAND OF HISTORICAL PALESTINE for the state of Israel. What else do they want? They want us to leave. WE WILL NOT LEAVE...
[ "In 1948 the Jewish army expelled three-quarter of a million Palestinians from what then became the State of Israel. Ilan Pappe, the Israeli historian, said he still felt haunted by the story, and then, in 1998, the Israelis opened the military archives, and it became clear that the Zionist's movement had planned to expel the Palestinians long before 1948. In 2006 Ilan Pappe published his most recent book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. He spoke about his work at the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands in January/February of 2007." - Maria Gilardin June 2007
Ilan Pappe: "(a synopsis) David Ben Gurion, who led an ideological movement ever since the 19th century, wanted to turn Palestine into a Jewish state with as few Palestinians in it as possible (when he was out of office this first Prime Minister of Israel was annoyed by the presence of so many Palestinians remaining in Israel, particularly in the Galilee). It shows that the leader of the Zionist movement, the 1st Prime Minister of Israel, someone at the heart of the Zionist movement, so annoyed by so many Palestinians in the Galilee, he is committed to a vision that sees historic Palestine as empty of Palestinians. Most of the Israeli Jews in the 1950's thought the same way, and nothing has changed in Israel in 2006. How to get there, how to de-Arabize Palestine. How to make Palestine a Jewish state, (i.e.) get rid of the people who live there (except, of course, for that number of Jewish settlers who in the 1930s had grown to one-third of the population in Palestine as they left the turmoil in Europe). How to deal with the majority in Palestine, the Palestinians. In February of 1947 the Zionists were very focused under Ben Gurion and the advisory committee he organized around him (only hardliners) and it took them a year, to February of 1948 to develop the plan to rid Palestine of the Palestinians, that as many as possible of the one million Palestinians should be expelled. How to do it? The experiment? The Jewish/Zionist army expelled about eight to nine villages. They wanted to see how the world would react. Nothing. So, you come with buses, lorrys - you go into someone's house, there are children, women, men, people have lived in these houses for hundreds of years: 'You have twenty minutes' to get on the bus and out you go. And half an hour after you leave on the bus someone detonates the house and blows it up. So Ben Gurion and others were not sure how the world and the young soldiers would react. Nothing. So, the master plan. They divided Palestine into twelve areas, the Haganah had twelve brigades, each brigade was given a list of villages, neighborhoods in mixed towns and systematically, in seven months, they expelled three-quarter of a million Palestinians, 531 villages were destroyed, eleven towns were demolished."
[Editor's note: This year 2008 is a trying one, not only because of our quadrennial elections which includes our presidency. The year is also the 60th anniversary of the problematic founding of the Jewish State of Israel (For the May '08 celebration George W. Bush will be a feted and honored guest. He's earned it, so to speak, with OUR money!) and, not surprisingly, the year will begin January 9th with a major series on the Public Broadcasting System, PBS, and a "companion landmark book (which) chronicles three hundred years of Jewish American history".] ]
...We will stay. And we will not be afraid of America, Israel or any other threats, whether they are to cut off donations or American aid. We will persist to remain on this land.
AMY GOODMAN: Meanwhile, Israeli Deputy Speaker of the Knesset Danny Danon praised President Obama’s speech at the United Nations and warned Israel will have a strong reaction to the Palestinian bid for U.N. membership.
DANNY DANON: There is no hope in the near future. This is the reality for the near future. Until we will see a viable partner among the Palestinians, there will be no real, genuine peace. It is not popular to say it. We all want change, peace, tomorrow morning. It’s not going to happen tomorrow morning. We will have to wait until we will see a real SUPINE partner among the Palestinians.
AMY GOODMAN: Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat has said President Mahmoud Abbas will not be deterred and hopes the U.S. will not continue to be opposed to his country’s bid for statehood.
SAEB EREKAT: I would hope that the U.S. would revisit its position, because if we want to seek a Middle East that’s democratic, free, void of extremists and so on, we cannot maintain the status quo. The U.S. cannot continue treating Israel as a country above the laws of man. And that’s the truth.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, for more on the proposal for Palestinian statehood set to go before the U.N. Security Council, we’re joined by two guests. Ali Abunimah is the co-founder of news and analysis website, The Electronic Intifada, and author of One Country: A Bold Proposal to End the Israeli-Palestinian Impasse. He’s in Cleveland. We’re also joined by Mouin Rabbani in Washington, D.C., visiting scholar at the Institute for Palestine Studies. He is also co-editor of Jadaliyya Ezine. Previously he worked as Palestine director of the Palestinian American Research Center.
We welcome you both to Democracy Now! Let’s go first to Washington, D.C., to Mouin Rabbani. What is your take on what is happening today at the United Nations, Mahmoud Abbas presenting his statehood bid?
MOUIN RABBANI: Yeah, well, the Palestinian leadership today is going to deposit an application for full membership in the United Nations at the Security Council. And it seems that the Security Council, at the behest of Washington, will sit on it, while Washington seeks to garner enough votes in opposition to this proposal, so it doesn’t have to exercise a veto. And it seems that the Palestinian leadership is not going to increase the pressure by also going to the General Assembly.
I have to say I think the main issue here is not the bid for recognition or statehood. I think the key issue here is the extent to which this initiative creates space and possibility for the internationalization of the question of Palestine in all its dimensions. In other words, a beginning of an irrevocable turn away from the Oslo process, which time and again has proven that it serves as nothing more than a political cover for the consolidation of Israeli control and the deepening colonization of the Occupied Territories.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, Ali Abunimah, you have been a vocal opponent or critic of this move by the Palestinians. Why?
ALI ABUNIMAH: Good morning, Juan. Good morning, Amy and Mouin.
Well, if we take what the PA, the Palestinian Authority, leadership say at face value, they say that their goal here was to try to break the status quo and to sort of return to negotiations, but on much better and more reasonable terms. That’s what they said. And if we evaluate it by those criteria, it’s been a complete disaster, because, in fact, what we saw from President Obama was a speech that was more pro-Israel than anything we have ever seen from him, which is saying something. And that was not a speech by a president of the United States addressing a world body with any sincerity about bringing an end to the conflict. That was a candidate running in an election where he is being very falsely and unfairly accused of not being pro-Israel enough. And that showed in the speech. So, the Palestinian Authority, rather than having ended the Oslo status quo, will go back home having achieved nothing and having simply demonstrated that it remains a captive of a situation where Palestinians are expected to carry out security, so-called security, for the Israeli occupation, are totally dependent on European Union and United States financing, and therefore financial blackmail, and have closed off all avenues for political action. And so, I see, really, this as a total failure.
The source of the opposition really came from a lot of Palestinians across the political spectrum who expressed fears that going to the United Nations to call for a state on a fraction of historic Palestine, without recognition of any other Palestinian rights, such as the rights of Palestinian refugees or the rights of Palestinian citizens in Israel, rather than advancing the cause of Palestine, could actually limit it and circumscribe it in the future because of unintended consequences. But it doesn’t look like that’s going to be a factor, after all, because this bid has gone absolutely nowhere.
AMY GOODMAN: Mouin Rabbani, your response?
MOUIN RABBANI: Well, you know, Ali is making the point that, for the Palestinian leadership, they’ve approached this entire issue as a tactical maneuver rather than a strategic initiative. And in that, he’s completely correct.
The point, rather, is, does this—does this initiative—or to the extent that it’s initiative, rather—create possibilities for a new dynamic for Palestinians to deal with the issues of occupation and self-determination and so on? And what I think you’ve seen in Palestinian society is a very broad desire to begin to move decisively away from the Oslo framework, which has been really, you know, bilateral negotiations, forever, about nothing, under unilateral American custodianship, with the U.S.—you know, Obama’s speech yesterday left even the Israelis in stunned disbelief about the extent of its pro-Israeli partisanship. So, no disagreement there. Rather, the issue is, you now have this initiative. This initiative creates possibilities, if the leadership is put under sufficient pressure by Palestinian society, to take it well beyond what the leadership intended. I think what Ali has been saying about the leadership is, more or less, essentially correct. But there—you know, the dynamic that’s created is by no means limited to what the leadership intends to do with it. And I think the key issue here is that this provides an opportunity to move away from Oslo and back towards the internationalization of the question of Palestine, where Palestinian—the issues of Palestinian self-determination are addressed on the basis of Palestinian rights as codified in a very large corpus of U.N. resolutions, rather than, you know, being codified in the pro-Israeli positions of the American administration and a Congress that has decisively gone off the deep end.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, Ali Abunimah, what about this issue of bringing back the question of the—through the international community, of dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian question? I was struck a couple of days ago by an interview with Brzezinski, a former key official in the Carter administration, who said that he saw this as a possible turning point in terms of the loss of influence of the United States in the Middle East and the rise, basically, of the European powers to be—to take a lead in attempting to resolve the question.
ALI ABUNIMAH: I don’t think that’s right. On the contrary, the role the European Union has been playing has been absolutely abject in terms of trying to be sort of a deal maker to get Israel’s demands written into Quartet statements, the Quartet being the self-appointed ad hoc group of international officials that has unilaterally placed the—replaced the United Nations on the question of Palestine. And the European Union provides the largest subsidies to Israeli occupation under the guise of aid to the Palestinian Authorities. So I don’t see the Europeans playing that role.
But on the question of internationalization and changing the dynamic, I agree with Mouin that that’s what needs to happen. But, you know, listen to your—to the introduction to this debate, and we had someone called Saeb Erekat being quoted as the chief negotiator. I and the rest of the Palestinians thought that Saeb Erekat had resigned after the scandals of the Palestine Papers were revealed. And yet, there he still is, calling himself chief negotiator. I think that that demonstrates the lack of accountability of this Palestinian leadership, the lack of connection to the Palestinian people, the lack of responsiveness to the Palestinian people, particularly the Palestinian diaspora and Palestinian citizens of Israel, who have essentially been written out of the question of Palestine. And part of the disaster of the Oslo process has been to reduce and circumscribe the Palestinian cause to residents of the West Bank and Gaza—and now perhaps only residents of the West Bank, as even Gaza is consigned to the garbage can.
And what we really need to do, I think, is rebuild a Palestinian consensus and body politic based on the rights and demands of every segment of the Palestinian people, inside and outside the country, based on fundamental rights, not a demand for limited statehood, which ignores the rights of the majority of Palestinians. Can this bid jump-start that process? I don’t know. But I think there are other movements going on that have been much more dynamic and much more inclusive, such as the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, which was dismissed as very marginal just a couple of years ago but is now sufficiently frightening and threatening to Israel, that they’re enlisting the United States government to fight it, which, of course, the Obama administration has enthusiastically volunteered to do by pledging to help Israel fight so-called delegitimization. What they call delegitimization, we call a struggle for universal rights and self-determination of Palestinians.
AMY GOODMAN: Mouin Rabbani—
ALI ABUNIMAH: So I think there are other avenues that need to be explored. And this U.N. bid, I think, has, if anything, demonstrated the dead end of a diplomatic process within a U.N. system that is so hopelessly broken and rigged on behalf of the powerful.
AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Mouin Rabbani, your response, but also what you would have liked to have seen President Obama say?
MOUIN RABBANI: Well, you know, Ali makes some very relevant criticisms of the Palestinian leadership, and I think one could add many more to what he’s said. And, of course, what is an essential requirement here is a reconstruction of the Palestinian national movement on the basis of an inclusive and purposeful strategy, and all the rest of it. At the end of the day, the fact of the matter is that there is this initiative at the United Nations and that Palestinians now have an opportunity to take this initiative well beyond the objectives for which it was launched by the leadership and to seek to intelligently use this initiative to promote the re-internationalization of the question of Palestine by addressing the issues of self-determination and the end of occupation on the basis of Palestinian rights as codified in international law and U.N. resolutions. I don’t think that that issue should have to wait until we get the leadership that we want or that we deserve, and I don’t think that these two elements are necessarily contradictory.
NOW, IN TERMS OF OBAMA’S SPEECH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT’S—AGAIN, ISRAELIS THEMSELVES REACTED WITH STUNNED DISBELIEF THAT AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT WOULD GIVE A SPEECH AT THE U.N. THAT LEFT EVEN AVIGDOR LIEBERMAN DELIGHTED AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, BIBI NETANYAHU IS NOW GOING TO HAVE TO REWRITE HIS OWN SPEECH, LEST HE COME ACROSS AS LESS ISRAELI THAN THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
So, again, you know, getting back to the larger question, one of the key values of going to the United Nations and promoting the internationalization of the question of Palestine is precisely to get away from this hopelessly compromised American role in—not in resolving this conflict, but which has in fact come down to a policy of transforming Israeli impunity and promoting Israeli impunity as a central plank of American Middle East policy and basically acting in support of perpetual Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory. So there can be no solution within the current framework. There can be no solution, unless the American role is replaced by a genuinely international one. And I think that going to the United Nations represents an essential first step in that direction, complemented, of course, by many other strategies and tactics, some of which Ali has mentioned. But at the end of the day, one either has Oslo or one has internationalization, and I don’t think that there’s a third option between the two.
AMY GOODMAN: We have to leave it there, Mouin Rabbani, with the Institute for Palestine Studies, and Ali Abunimah, co-founder of The Electronic Intifada and author of One Country: A Bold Proposal to End the Israeli-Palestinian Impasse... - Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 9/23/11
[ The 9/23/11 Lehrer - PBS Newshour stiffed the Palestinian news story. Out of deference to David Brooks, or to Rosh Hashanah? Stay Tuned. ]
** Hanan Ashrawi, distinguished Palestinian activist and Professor of English Literature at Birzeit University, Ramallah, West Bank - Professor Ashrawi accentuates the revelations of Ilan Pappe, in her 9/25/11 appearance on Christiane Amanpour's "This Week".
Ms. Amanpour: And joining me now, Hanan Ashrawi, a top Palestinian negotiator.
Thank you for being with us.
Prof. Ashrawi: Thank you, Christiane. It's good to be here.
Ms. Amanpour: It's really good to have you and to talk about this really important issue.
Prof. Ashrawi: Absolutely.
Ms. Amanpour: Is there a day after? President Abbas did what he did; prime minister of Israel has said, come on, let's talk, let's not wave papers around. Is there negotiations in the offing?
Prof. Ashrawi: Well, you know what we've been doing for the last 20 years. We've been negotiating, Christiane. We've been negotiating ad nauseum with a process that had no relationship to reality. That's the problem.
Ms. Amanpour: So what happens now, though? Now we're in a new situation.
Prof. Ashrawi: Now negotiations are not an objective. They are a means. And these have been a very flawed instrument. Either you fix the tool, the instrument, or you find alternatives. So if you negotiate and you buy Israel time to create unilateral facts, to build more settlements, to steal more land, it is in danger of destroying the whole -- not just peace process, but the prospects of peace.
Ms. Amanpour: The United States and its allies, the quartet, U.N., et cetera, have called for talks to start and to be concluded by the end of 2012.
Prof. Ashrawi: Absolutely.
Ms. Amanpour: Is that remotely possible?
Prof. Ashrawi: Look, what's possible is -- and we've said this very clearly -- if Israel commits to the terms of reference '67 boundaries, the two-state solution, Jerusalem as the capital, and with a timeframe, binding timeframe, as well as cessation of all settlement activities -- Israel talks about the two-state solution, talks about talks, but is busy stealing the land. It has stolen over 40 percent of the West Bank, and it has annexed Jerusalem, and it has changed the terms of reference and the agenda.
Ms. Amanpour: And...
Prof. Ashrawi: So if they commit, we will negotiate. If they don't commit, then we have to look for alternatives, because this is the end of the two-state solution. Look, Christiane, we've known each other for years. I'm not prone to hyperbole or lies or anything, but -- and no-panic politics (ph), but when President Abbas said this is the moment of truth, this is it, because soon there will be no two-state solution.
Ms. Amanpour: So people are concerned that he may have raised his people's expectations, that this is just going to deepen intransigence from the United States, from those opposed to these unilateral moves, and could lead to violence...
(CROSSTALK)
Ms. Amanpour: Do you think that's possible?
Prof. Ashrawi: Look, the only unilateral moves are Israeli moves on the ground (inaudible) the apartheid wall, the...
Ms. Amanpour: But what do you think is going to be the reaction of the Palestinians?
Prof. Ashrawi: Settlements -- no, the Palestinian people are very political, very astute, and they know -- they know that this a new phase. This is not the end of the road. This is the beginning of a new phase, that for 20 years, we've seen more lives lost, more land lost, more freedoms lost, and Israel has maintained the enslavement of the whole Palestinian people. They want to see a change in the modus operandi. They want the Palestinian not just identity, but rights to be vindicated and to be based on international law and international humanitarian law.
Ms. Amanpour: Prime...
Prof. Ashrawi: If it doesn't happen, then the power politics of a brutal military occupation will prevail.
Ms. Amanpour: Prime Minister Netanyahu, as you saw, said let's talk now. One of the things he spoke very loudly about at the U.N. was recognize Israel as a Jewish state. If you want a Palestinian state, fine, recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
Prof. Ashrawi: Look -- look, we recognized Israel in...
Ms. Amanpour: Will the Palestinians do that? Because the quartet's even...
(CROSSTALK)
Prof. Ashrawi: We recognized Israel in '93. If Israel wants to change its name, it has to go to the Security Council or whatever and ask everybody that's recognized it to recognize it again as a Jewish state. We want a Palestinian state that is pluralistic, inclusive, and tolerant. I don't want an Islamic state or a Christian state. Why should I want a Jewish state?
But at the same time, look, in Israel, there are Palestinians who are Christians and Muslims. And when we say Jewish state, it means not only are they legitimately discriminated against, but that the Palestinian refugees have no right to return.
Ms. Amanpour: Let...
Prof. Ashrawi: Now, if Israel wants to call itself a Jewish state, then it has to go through the proper procedures to change its name.
Ms. Amanpour: But as you know very well...
Prof. Ashrawi: But we recognized it already. How come we're the only people who are asked to re-recognize Israel?
Ms. Amanpour: But you know very well -- and I know we're not going to negotiate this now -- but the whole issue of -- of return is a big issue, and they won't all be allowed to go into Israel.
Prof. Ashrawi: But that's -- you see, that's the problem. Israel has placed so many preconditions. It wants to annex Jerusalem. It wants to remove the refugees from the agenda. It wants to keep its troops in the Jordan Valley. It wants to (inaudible) it wants everything and it wants to annex all the settlement clusters and then says, "Let's talk."
No. There are unacceptable preconditions. Either you negotiate in good faith and act accordingly, in order to achieve the two-state solution, or this option will no longer be available, particularly given the Arab Spring, where this is a new phase, this is a new region, and it's a new ballgame, and they should understand the significance.
Ms. Amanpour: And we'll keep watching it. Complicated issue, as ever. Hanan Ashrawi, thank you very much, indeed, for joining us.
Prof. Ashrawi: Thank you. My pleasure.
- ADDENDUM
U.S. Quietly Supplies Israel With Bunker-Busting Bombs
By Thom Shanker
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has quietly supplied Israel with bombs capable of destroying buried targets, like terrorists’ arms caches or PERHAPS SITES IN IRAN SUSPECTED OF BEING PART OF THAT NATION’S NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM, American officials said Friday.
The administration’s transfer of bunker-busting bombs, first reported in an online article by Newsweek, began in 2009. American officials who confirmed the shipments spoke on the condition of anonymity, because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. They declined to comment on the number of bombs that had been supplied to Israel or on their capabilities.
ISRAEL HAD SOUGHT THIS CLASS OF WEAPONS FOR MANY YEARS. IN 2005, THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOTIFIED CONGRESS OF A PENDING TRANSFER TO ISRAEL OF BOMBS DESIGNED TO DESTROY BURIED TARGETS. “This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a FRIENDLY COUNTRY,” a news release from the Defense Security Cooperation Agency stated.
Subsequent notifications of plans to sell Israel different models of bunker-busting weapons were sent to Congress by the agency again in 2007 and 2008.
- Shipment of the weapons, which Israel had sought for years, began in 2009. -
But the weapons were not given to Israel at the time. Pentagon officials were frustrated that Israel had transferred military technology to China. And there were deep concerns that IF THE UNITED STATES SUPPLIED BUNKER-BUSTING BOMBS TO ISRAEL, IT MIGHT BE VIEWED AS HAVING TACITLY ENDORSED AN ATTACK ON IRAN.
In the interim, Israel developed its own bunker-busting bomb, officials said, but the American variants were viewed as more cost-effective.
George Little, the Pentagon press secretary, declined to comment on the reports of a weapons transfer. “We’re not going to comment on these press reports, but make no mistake about it: the United States is committed to the security of Israel and Israel’s ability to maintain its qualitative military edge,” Mr. Little said.
THE ISSUE IS SO SENSITIVE THAT ISRAELI MILITARY OFFICIALS ASKED THE UNITED STATES NOT TO RELEASE DOCUMENTATION OF THE ARMS TRANSFER, EVEN IF REQUESTED UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, ACCORDING TO AMERICAN OFFICIALS.
Reports of the arms transfer to Israel could help President Obama’s political standing among Jewish voters.
The relationship between the administration and the Israeli government has been bruised by a variety of political and geopolitical matters, and efforts by the administration to strengthen the Israeli military may convince some voters that the president is sufficiently supportive of Israel. - Thom Shanker N Y Times 9/24/11
More to Come!
Extraordinaire Revue
** In view of the record these last several weeks ( ...and 60-odd years ), what follows is genuinely surreal!
As Palestinians seek U.N. entry, a push for talks
By Neil MacFarquhar & Steven Lee Meyers
UNITED NATIONS - President Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian leader, formally requested full United Nations membership for his as yet undefined country on Friday. But before the thunderous applause greeting his announcement in the General Assembly had faded, international powers laid out a new plan to resume direct Israeli-Palestinian peace talks that was designed to delay a contentious vote on the Palestinian request AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
THE ESSENCE
James Zogby, an American pollster long involved in the peace negotiations, noted that virtually every attempt TO FORGE A TREATY SINCE 1993 HAD INCLUDED A DEADLINE THAT EXPIRED WITHOUT PROGRESS.
“What we have done now for the last 20 plus years is engage people in an endless process,” he said. “As long as they were riding the bicycle it didn’t matter if it wasn’t going anywhere as long as it didn’t fall down.”
AT THE ANNUAL UNITED NATIONS GATHERING OF WORLD LEADERS, MR. ABBAS WAS GREETED FRIDAY WITH NUMEROUS STANDING OVATIONS.
“I do not believe anyone with a shred of conscience can reject our application for full admission in the United Nations,” Mr. Abbas said, calling eventual statehood “the realization of the inalienable national rights of the Palestinian people.”
THE MOST SUSTAINED APPLAUSE, PUNCTUATED WITH CHEERS, CAME AS HE HELD UP A COPY OF THE LETTER REQUESTING MEMBERSHIP.
Connecting his statehood request with the Arab uprisings, he said, “THE TIME HAS COME ALSO FOR THE PALESTINIAN SPRING, THE TIME FOR INDEPENDENCE.”
Both leaders spoke for about 40 minutes, adopting professorial tones as they explained the conflict.
MR. NETANYAHU SCOLDED THE UNITED NATIONS, DESCRIBING IT AS A “THEATER OF THE ABSURD” FOR WHAT HE CALLED ITS UNFAIR FIXATION ON CONDEMNING ISRAEL.
The Security Council is expected to form a committee next week with one representative from each of the 15 members to study the proposal, which can take several weeks. It is unclear whether the Palestinians have the nine Council votes needed to move it to the General Assembly for final approval, WITH THE UNITED STATES ACTIVELY COURTING “NO” VOTES TO AVOID HAVING TO USE ITS VETO. - MacFarquhar & Meyers N Y Times 9/24/11
It's a given, that although the propaganda machine in the American media is widespread and deep, it conforms to a constant monograph. Please note the ethnicity prevalent for Fox News [ Roger Ailes to Chris Wallace ] , for NPR [ Neil Conan, Robert Siegal ( Mr. Siegal often hosts "All Things Considered", i.e. All Things, that is, EXCEPT Israel, a trait which also characterizes Scott Simon's "NPR Weekend Edition" ) ]
The elite of the above group has always been, i.e. following the reign of William Safir ( oops, Safire ) , i.e. the pride of the combine has always been "Charlie" Rose, who, until September 26, 2011, kept his heritage in check, until that recent date, and then proceeded, in the on-air company ( "for the full hour" ) with Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu, and then Rose let it all hang out and, knowingly or unknowingly, revealed and virtually endorsed this apocalyptic, pseudo messianic & maniacal Prime Minister of Israel who, clearly, represents a threat to the Middle East, indeed, to the entire world.
Back to Mr. Simon, who, on his 10/1/11 offering managed to promote an up-and-coming "Terrorist" TV program for "Showtime", the general theme being that a terrorist "attack is imminent"! But in that the "Show", according to Mr. Simon, follows one on Israeli television, it is unlikely in the American version, to feature for example, "surveillance techniques" that a combination of U. S. and Israeli intelligence efforts were successful gathering "decisive evidence" that Iran had "an underground weapon-making center"! Pity, because such a find would have great box-office appeal, and energize individuals like David Sanger, who have made careers of claiming that Iran is developing a nuclear capability so as to provide cover for the Israeli fixation on bombing Iran.
Unfortunately, for the likes of Mr. Sanger, the actual record is as follows:
"Street signs were surreptitiously removed in heavily populated areas of Tehran - say, near a university suspected of conducting nuclear enrichment - and replaced with similar-looking signs implanted with radiation sensors. American operatives, working under cover, also removed bricks from a building or two in central Tehran that they thought housed nuclear enrichment activities and replaced them with bricks embedded with radiation-monitoring devices.
High-powered sensors disguised as stones were spread randomly along roadways in a mountainous area where a suspected underground weapon site was under construction. The stones were capable of transmitting electronic data on the weight of the vehicles going in and out of the site; a truck going in light and coming out heavy could be hauling dirt - crucial evidence of excavation work. There is also constant satellite coverage of major suspect areas in Iran, and some American analysts were assigned the difficult task of examining footage in the hope of finding air vents - signs, perhaps, of an underground facility in lightly populated areas."
Obviously, we're quoting Seymour Hersh's "IRAN AND THE BOMB" in The New Yorker 6/6/11, much of which we have posted. The key of course, as Hersh reports, is "the two most recent National Intelligence Estimates (N.I.E.) on Iranian nuclear progress "have stated that there is no conclusive evidence that Iran has made any effort to build the bomb since 2003", and of course, prior to 2003, Iran's greatest concern was Iraq! Jewish interests, of course, disregard these N. I. E.s, "the actual ground truth of the American government", and enlist the likes of Joe Lieberman to state "it's pretty clear that they (Iran) are continuing to work seriously on a nuclear-weapons program".
What follows is an almost historic ( what with today's media ) international promotion by the dean of Israeli apologists, "Charlie" Rose, with the diabolical Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu.
Charlie Rose: …Speaking of Iran. There was a recent IAEA report, as you well know, saying that they have a significant more newly established centrifuges that can enrich uranium up to twenty percent. There is that. And you have spoken about the fear of Iran, and its destabilizing impact on the region, as well. There is also a little noticed news item today, that the Pentagon is going to send to you these double bunker buster bombs, that will be coming to Israel. Under which circumstances would you find it essential to Israeli security interests to do so?
Benjamin Netanyahu: It’s central to the world’s security interests. It’s central to America’s security interests. Iran is developing a program for nuclear weapons. It is developing rockets. Missile, ICBMs, to reach, not Israel, they already have the missiles to reach Israel, THEY ARE DEVELOPING ICBMS TO REACH MANHATTAN. They’re developing warheads. They say, Ahmadinejad, who spoke here the other day, at the UN. You know it’s outrageous. ( BIBI . DON'T . CHANGE . THE . SUBJECT! BIBI DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT. THE ISSUE IS THE PALESTINIANS! ) They should all have walked out when he implied that 9/11 was an American plot. I thought…my stomach turned over, you know. When I laid that wreath on that memorial, it was extraordinary. But what’s more extraordinary is that this man comes to this city and implies this madness. Do you want this guy to have nuclear weapons? Well here’s what he’s saying, “Well we’re not having nuclear weapons. We’re developing these medical isotopes for medical treatment.” [ NO, BIBI. THEY'RE DEVELOPING NUCLEAR POWER, WHICH IS THEIR RIGHT! WERE THEY PURSUING NUCLEAR WEAPONS THEIR CENTRIFUGES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DELIVER 90 PERCENT PURITY NOT 20 PERCENT. ] He’s developing these medical…
Charlie Rose: centrifuges
Benjamin Netanyahu: …these medical isotopes to put on ICBMs to deliver to patients in New York City huh? There’s got to be a cheaper way to deliver this stuff. Of course he’s developing nuclear weapons, and the means to deliver them, not only…
Charlie Rose: Ok, so what is this...
Benjamin Netanyahu: …not only to us, but to you. I think that stopping him is not only, should not only be my concern, and it is. It should be the concern of America, and it is. It should be the concern of every civilized nation. [ IN FACT, "EVERY CIVILIZED NATION" IS INVOLVED OPPOSING YOUR EFFORTS TO CONTINUALLY OCCUPY PALESTINIAN LAND, PARTICULARLY HISTORIC ARAB EAST JERUSALEM ]
[ [ BIBI! WHAT ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS WHO ISRAEL HAS BEEN KILLING, ALMOST AT RANDOM, FOR SIXTY-ODD YEARS.
"In 1948 the Jewish army expelled three-quarter of a million Palestinians from what then became the State of Israel. Ilan Pappe, the Israeli historian, said he still felt haunted by the story, and then, in 1998, the Israelis opened the military archives, and it became clear that the Zionist's movement had planned to expel the Palestinians long before 1948. In 2006 Ilan Pappe published his most recent book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. He spoke about his work at the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands in January/February of 2007." - Maria Gilardin June 2007
Ilan Pappe: "(a synopsis) David Ben Gurion, who led an ideological movement ever since the 19th century, wanted to turn Palestine into a Jewish state with as few Palestinians in it as possible (when he was out of office this first Prime Minister of Israel was annoyed by the presence of so many Palestinians remaining in Israel, particularly in the Galilee). It shows that the leader of the Zionist movement, the 1st Prime Minister of Israel, someone at the heart of the Zionist movement, so annoyed by so many Palestinians in the Galilee, he is committed to a vision that sees historic Palestine as empty of Palestinians. Most of the Israeli Jews in the 1950's thought the same way, and nothing has changed in Israel in 2006. How to get there, how to de-Arabize Palestine. How to make Palestine a Jewish state, (i.e.) get rid of the people who live there (except, of course, for that number of Jewish settlers who in the 1930s had grown to one-third of the population in Palestine as they left the turmoil in Europe). How to deal with the majority in Palestine, the Palestinians.
In February of 1947 the Zionists were very focused under Ben Gurion and the advisory committee he organized around him (only hardliners) and it took them a year, to February of 1948 to develop the plan to rid Palestine of the Palestinians, that as many as possible of the one million Palestinians should be expelled. How to do it? The experiment? The Jewish/Zionist army expelled about eight to nine villages. They wanted to see how the world would react. Nothing. So, you come with buses, lorrys - you go into someone's house, there are children, women, men, people have lived in these houses for hundreds of years: 'You have twenty minutes' to get on the bus and out you go. And half an hour after you leave on the bus someone detonates the house and blows it up. So Ben Gurion and others were not sure how the world and the young soldiers would react. Nothing.
So, the master plan. They divided Palestine into twelve areas, the Haganah had twelve brigades, each brigade was given a list of villages, neighborhoods in mixed towns and systematically, in seven months, they expelled three-quarter of a million Palestinians, 531 villages were destroyed, eleven towns were demolished."
[Editor's note: This year 2008 is a trying one, not only because of our quadrennial elections which includes our presidency. The year is also the 60th anniversary of the problematic founding of the Jewish State of Israel (For the May '08 celebration George W. Bush will be a feted and honored guest. He's earned it, so to speak, with OUR money!) and, not surprisingly, the year will begin January 9th with a major series on the Public Broadcasting System, PBS, and a "companion landmark book (which) chronicles three hundred years of Jewish American history".] ] ]
Charlie Rose: At what point will you say, “I cannot wait any longer”? What will be the factors that will make you take that decision?
Benjamin Netanyahu: Well I hope that we all recognize that we have to act in time.
Charlie Rose: Are you alarmed that that day, that point of decision may be clear and soon.
Benjamin Netanyahu: Well the Iranian goal of getting to a nuclear weapon gets closer with every day that passes.
Charlie Rose: Is there a difference between what Israeli intelligence says about that, and what US intelligence says?
Benjamin Netanyahu: The differences have narrowed considerably over the years, as we’re getting closer and closer. You know we’re not…we’re…usually we’re on the same page on this.
Charlie Rose: Is it a year away? Is it five years away?
Benjamin Netanyahu: It’s a lot less further away than it was a few years ago.
Charlie Rose: A lot less?
Benjamin Netanyahu: Yep.
Charlie Rose: Did the Stuxnet virus do great damage do you think? ( The Stuxnet virus had to do with, not nuclear weaponry, but with the development of nuclear power. Prime Minister Netanyahu is simply trying to confuse us! )
Benjamin Netanyahu: Well it’s a lot less further away. ( ...FROM NUCLEAR WEAPONRY, OR NUCLEAR POWER? )
Charlie Rose: A lot less, despite that, it’s a lot less further away?
Benjamin Netanyahu: Even if they had problems, you know, they keep on moving. They’re very determined.
Charlie Rose: But is it a year? Is it two years? Is it in that ball park do you think?
Benjamin Netanyahu: You’re not that far off. ( Mr. Prime Minister? Are you threatening to bomb Iran? )
Charlie Rose: And you say to the Israeli people “I will not let this stand”.
Benjamin Netanyahu: I…I think that this is an imperative for all, for Israel, for the United States, for everyone. President Obama has said he is determined to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, and I think if you look in a perspective of the twenty-first century – I know we spent most our time talking here about the Palestinian issues…
Charlie Rose: But I brought it back to this because I know how much you feel like this is a greater security issue for you.
Benjamin Netanyahu: It’s not only that, the Palestinian…peace with the Palestinians will not stop the centrifuges from spinning in Tehran. ( THOSE CENTRIFUGES ARE SPINNING FOR NUCLEAR POWER! NOT FOR NUCLEAR WEAPONRY. SEYMOUR HERSH MAKES THAT CLEAR WITH EVIDENCE GATHERED IN HIS 6/6/11 "IRAN AND THE BOMB" WHICH QUOTES THE LATEST National Intelligence Estimates of the United States! )
Charlie Rose ( "Charlie" is falling into line! ): Absolutely.
Benjamin Netanyahu: But, if you stop the centrifuges from spinning in Tehran, you might actually get an easier peace with the Palestinians. Half of the Palestinian population that is controlled by Iran, Hamas, would immediately lose any meaning, because without Iran, without Iran's invincibility, Hamas doesn’t go very far. It’s like Cuba without the Soviet Union.
Charlie Rose: There is a note that Iran has diminished authority, because of the Arab Spring, because some of their allies are against them. Hamas, for example, had a different place in what happened in Syria, than the Iranian government did.
Benjamin Netanyahu: But Iran…there are these occasional contradictions, but by and large, in this earthquake, or sandstorm, that is sweeping the region, Iran is a force that continues to seek to subvert the Arab Spring to militant Islamic militancies, and they’re meddling and they’re involved in just about every country, to the worst, in the worst way. ( Huh? It is common knowledge that HALF of Israel's military - clandestine budget is dedicated to subverting its Middle East neighbors! ) But you ask about their nuclear weapons program. I have no doubt that if they, if Iran, this Ayatollah regime, has nuclear weapons, then I think the Arab Spring will turn into an Iranian winter. I think there would be a dire threat for the future of my country. And I think there would be a malignancy – that’s the way I call it, a malignancy – inserted between the West and the East. That could threaten the peace of all of us. And I think the, the greatest imperative at the beginning of the twentieth century for responsible leaders everywhere, is to make sure that this does not happen ( Rather, for the leaders of this 21st Century, the challenge is to corral Israel which, as it stands, is threatening every Islamic state in the Middle East! ) .
Charlie Rose: Do you feel any responsibility to have…an approval from the United States government before you took unilateral Israeli action?
Benjamin Netanyahu: Well, look, Israel’s a sovereign country ( DOES THIS MEAN WE, THE UNITED STATES, CAN HALT THE ANNUAL FIVE BILLION$ "CONTRIBUTION", ONGOING SINCE THE 1960'S? ), and we always reserve the right to defend ourselves, but I wouldn’t get…I wouldn’t say anything beyond that.
Charlie Rose: Do you feel that Israel today is, in a sense, within the environment that you’re operating, is being, in a sense, demonized? And is that a big issue for you?
Benjamin Netanyahu: Sure, sure it’s being vilified all the time. It’s being slandered… ( the "Cast Lead Massacre" from 12/26/08 to 1/18/09 was not slander, it was indiscriminate killing of 1,400 Gaza Palestinians, because the Israelis felt they could get away with it! ) there’s a cast of characters. There’s a play. The Palestinian’s want peace, Israel doesn’t want peace. I don’t want peace. It’s completely contradicted by the evidence ( The "evidence"? The actual evidence is clear for all the world to see, a constant, feverish effort by the Israelis to illegally build Jewish houses on occupied Palestinian land! ), by the actual evidence of all the offers we’ve made for peace, all the steps we’ve taken for peace, and the fact the Palestinians haven’t done that. So that’s the play. And outside this bogus play, outside the theater, are these vast things that are happening that people are not even noticing. That is Iran’s designs, and its development of nuclear weapons, and its…this apocalyptic, messianic sect, that could get atomic bombs...
[ THIS pretty much demolishes Mr. Netanyahu's diatribe, and exposes "Charlie" Rose's acquiescence! ]
...And threaten not only the peace, but threaten all of us. That…that, is a…is a great concern for me. Looking at it from a historical perspective, I rail against some of the, you know, the commentators and so on whose sense of history doesn’t go beyond breakfast, you know. It’s something very big is happening here, and it should be…it should be stopped, and I think if it is stopped, I think actually…
Charlie Rose: It being what?
Benjamin Netanyahu: The arming of Iran with nuclear weapons, the march of militant Islam. I think in a historical context…
Charlie Rose: The interesting thing, it has not been the march of militant Islam that has fueled the Arab Spring…
Benjamin Netanyahu: No. No.
Charlie Rose: …You know that, but you know that may be a competing argument as these governments try to struggle on…
Benjamin Netanyahu: No no. I think quite the contrary. I think it wasn’t militant Islam…
Charlie Rose: Exactly.
Benjamin Netanyahu: …but they could come, you know, look at what could happen in Egypt now. It wasn’t started by the militant Islamists, but they could be the only organized power that will take over. And then you get the opposite of what you want which is what happened in Lebanon. Lebanon you had the…you know you had the…cedar revolution that was going to talk about a new secular forward and progressive Lebanon. That was six years ago. Now Iran controls it. Hezbollah controls it. So Lebanon has descended into a semi-medievalism, you know. And the same thing happened in Gaza, and the same thing unfortunately is in Tehran. So that could very well spell out what could happen in other countries in the Middle East, despite the better hopes of the millions of young Arabs.
Charlie Rose: Many people worry that some incident will happen. Some incident that does not look that big at the moment, but could explode. For example, one scenario, that Turks agree that they will use somehow their own naval, their own navy, to escort a flotilla, to Gaza. If that happened, what would Israel do?
Benjamin Netanyahu: I’d say that’s not a good idea for anyone to entertain. It’s NOT a good idea ( THIS MAN IS DANGEROUS! ) . Look, we don’t…we didn’t seek the degradation in Turkish relations. In our relations with Turkey it began most dramatically in Davos, you know, under the previous government, when…
Charlie Rose: You mean when Shimon Peres…
Benjamin Netanyahu: When Shimon Peres...
Charlie Rose: …went on the platform at Davos and Erdogan walked off?
Benjamin Netanyahu: Right. And came back to a hero’s welcome in… You know, so there’s a lot of things I suppose in Turkish domestic policy, and Turkish foreign policy that…
Charlie Rose: But that’s, they were your friend.
Benjamin Netanyahu: Yeah. They were! They chose to change course for their own reasons, but I hope…
Charlie Rose: They said on that issue, said that you were prepared to sort of do…make an apology…you were prepared at one point to make an apology for a kind of, operational excess ( i.e. the killing of nine Turks, who were on a humanitarian mission? ) , and then you pulled back from that.
Benjamin Netanyahu: Well we had, you know, it’s the…
Charlie Rose: Domestic politics.
Benjamin Netanyahu: No, not domestic politics, it was something much…I won’t go into the details...
Charlie Rose: But that’s the truth.
Benjamin Netanyahu: No.
Charlie Rose: That in fact you were prepared perhaps to make…
Benjamin Netanyahu: Well maybe I expected something in return, which…which…
Charlie Rose: Which was?
Benjamin Netanyahu: Which, you know, if we’re ever gonna have this thing resolved, I’d rather not get into that. But I think that…I think it’s very hard to apologize for something you didn’t do wrong. You apologize…
Charlie Rose: For "operational excess". Do you believe …
Benjamin Netanyahu: …while these guys go down the fast…
Charlie Rose: …that’s what, they said, they said you had the right to blockade ( NO! That UN report was bogus! ) but that there was operational excess…
Benjamin Netanyahu: …they go down the fast drop…you saw the video, they go down the fast drop and they’re hacked, nearly hacked to death! ( WE APOLOGIZE FOR REITERATING THE TET-A-TET BETWEEN "CHARLIE" ROSE & "BIBI". BUT THIS IS THE RECORD! )
Charlie Rose: I…
Benjamin Netanyahu: …and people see that, you know. Somebody said to me, a wise, wise scholar of the Middle East, he said, “If you apologize for something that you clearly shouldn’t, you will neither be valued as a friend or feared as a foe”. And given that we’re dealing with a historian whose over ninety years old that sort of gets my attention level, because my father is a historian who’s over a hundred years old. And so that answers…
Charlie Rose: I thought you were talking about your father...
( MUCH MORE TO COME ON THE SENIOR NETANYAHU! )
[ [ Psychobiography in politics is ordinarily a mug’s game. Sometimes, though, an assessment of inherited traits and ideologies can be telling. For years, Israeli and American commentators have been waiting for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to leave behind the right-wing Revisionist ideology of his father, Benzion, a historian of the Spanish Inquisition, and, like Nixon leaving for China, end the occupation of the Palestinian territories. Just as Nixon set aside decades of Cold War ideology and Red-baiting in the interests of practical global politics, Netanyahu would transcend his own history, and his party’s, to end the suffering of a dispossessed people and regain Israel’s moral standing.
This waiting game is a delusion. The stubborn ideological legacy that, in part, blocks such a transformation runs deep. During Netanyahu’s first term as Prime Minister, in the late nineteen-nineties, I met with him in his office, in Jerusalem, and he fondly recalled how his father encountered David Ben Gurion, in 1956, not long after Israel captured the Sinai. Ben Gurion had vowed to keep the Sinai for a thousand years, but Benzion was convinced that he would lose it. Why? Ben Gurion asked.
“Because the U.S. will force you to,” the elder Netanyahu said.
“Of course, he was right, unfortunately,” the son said. “That was the first and last time an Israeli Prime Minister succumbed to an American diktat.” This ingrained wariness toward Israel’s most stalwart ally and benefactor is just part of Netanyahu’s inheritance. On that same trip to Israel, Benzion, who is now a hundred and one, invited me to his house for lunch, and I am not sure that I have ever heard more outrageously reactionary table talk. The disdain for Arabs, for Israeli liberals, for any Americans to the left of the neoconservatives was chilling. - David Remnick 3/21/11 ] ]
...when you said that.
Benjamin Netanyahu: No, he’s over a hundred years old, well, he’s over ninety too, but that’s not him.
Charlie Rose: Does he have the same view about Israel’s future as you do, or is he to your right?
Benjamin Netanyahu: He has his pessimistic moments, but you know, right now, every moment that he has for me is a blessing.
Charlie Rose: Yeah. Indeed. How old is he?
Benjamin Netanyahu: Hundred and two.
Charlie Rose: And what do you want…what do you tell him you want your legacy to be?
Benjamin Netanyahu: That I’ve spent my time protecting the Jewish state, and enabling the Jewish future to proceed, with prosperity and security. So it’s not obvious. What we have is not obvious. You know, we’ve defied the rules of history ( ...and a refresher on the method! )...
"In 1948 the Jewish army expelled three-quarter of a million Palestinians from what then became the State of Israel. Ilan Pappe, the Israeli historian, said he still felt haunted by the story, and then, in 1998, the Israelis opened the military archives, and it became clear that the Zionist's movement had planned to expel the Palestinians long before 1948. In 2006 Ilan Pappe published his most recent book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. He spoke about his work at the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands in January/February of 2007." - Maria Gilardin June 2007
Ilan Pappe: "(a synopsis) David Ben Gurion, who led an ideological movement ever since the 19th century, wanted to turn Palestine into a Jewish state with as few Palestinians in it as possible (when he was out of office this first Prime Minister of Israel was annoyed by the presence of so many Palestinians remaining in Israel, particularly in the Galilee). It shows that the leader of the Zionist movement, the 1st Prime Minister of Israel, someone at the heart of the Zionist movement, so annoyed by so many Palestinians in the Galilee, he is committed to a vision that sees historic Palestine as empty of Palestinians. Most of the Israeli Jews in the 1950's thought the same way, and nothing has changed in Israel in 2006. How to get there, how to de-Arabize Palestine. How to make Palestine a Jewish state, (i.e.) get rid of the people who live there (except, of course, for that number of Jewish settlers who in the 1930s had grown to one-third of the population in Palestine as they left the turmoil in Europe). How to deal with the majority in Palestine, the Palestinians.
In February of 1947 the Zionists were very focused under Ben Gurion and the advisory committee he organized around him (only hardliners) and it took them a year, to February of 1948 to develop the plan to rid Palestine of the Palestinians, that as many as possible of the one million Palestinians should be expelled. How to do it? The experiment? The Jewish/Zionist army expelled about eight to nine villages. They wanted to see how the world would react. Nothing. So, you come with buses, lorrys - you go into someone's house, there are children, women, men, people have lived in these houses for hundreds of years: 'You have twenty minutes' to get on the bus and out you go. And half an hour after you leave on the bus someone detonates the house and blows it up. So Ben Gurion and others were not sure how the world and the young soldiers would react. Nothing. So, the master plan. They divided Palestine into twelve areas, the Haganah had twelve brigades, each brigade was given a list of villages, neighborhoods in mixed towns and systematically, in seven months, they expelled three-quarter of a million Palestinians, 531 villages were destroyed, eleven towns were demolished."
...to come back ( On the backs of the Palestinian PEOPLE! ) and rebuild our sovereign state in our national homeland. That’s just against all the physics of history and of politics. There’s a strong…I read Will Durant’s book “The Lessons of…
Charlie Rose: “The History of Philosophy”
Benjamin Netanyahu: Not, well, I read “The Story of Civilization”, but he has a less…he has a hundred page book “The Lessons of History”, and it’s fascinating. He wrote it in 1916, and he says that when Oriental fecundity meets Western technology China will be a great power. Not bad for 1916.
Charlie Rose: Turned out to be true.
Benjamin Netanyahu: He was another one of these historians. So he said numbers count. And he says there’s one exception. The Jews have been able to beat, you know, this, to come back. That’s what I feel. The Jews have come back on the stage of history. But anti-Semitism is still there ( MUCH OF IT SELF-INFLICTED! ) . The attempt to ascribe to the Jews, in this case to the Jewish state, all the ills of not having peace, not having economic stability, not having security, that’s still there. So we fight against great odds, but at the same time we have a state. We have our country. We were six hundred thousand, sixty years ago, and now close to seven million. This is a real miracle. I’m in charge on my watch to protect the miracle.
Charlie Rose: But, as you talk with passion, and in a way that everybody should applaud, Palestinians feel the same thing. That’s what they want. A state.
Benjamin Netanyahu: Let ‘em have it. Here’s my hand. Here’s the table. Let’s get on with it. You know this is…there is no answer to the acid test. Because they keep…they’ll write five hundred Op-Eds…
Charlie Rose: But you understand, what you just said resonated with people around the world. Not just Jews. The same aspiration they have resonates with not just Arabs, but people around the world.
Benjamin Netanyahu: Come and talk. Come and talk. If the aspiration is just to live an independent life, in your state, but not to destroy my state, we’ll get peace.
Charlie Rose: If you believe they are not intent on destroying your state, and did not want circumstances that would cause you more fear than hope, you’d be prepared to make a deal?
Benjamin Netanyahu: No, I AM prepared to make the deal. And I can deliver the deal. The TRAGEDY for the Palestinians is that their leadership keeps missing out on these things. They were offered extraordinary offers by previous Israeli Prime Ministers. They didn’t take it. There were six Israeli Prime Ministers since the Oslo process began. Every one of them wanted peace. Every one of them offered the two state solution. But the Palestinians declined again and again. Because they wouldn’t make the tough compromises for peace that THEY need to make. Israel is willing to do it. I’M willing to do it. They have to be willing too.
Charlie Rose: Is it something the United States needs to do in terms of presenting, playing a larger role. Is there some need for either the quartet, which the United States is part of, or President Obama, to put forward that will make this better, or is it not the United States, it’s not the quartet, it is Israel and Palestinians sitting at a table, until they come out with something that is in the great long term interest and security of both peoples in a two state solution.
Benjamin Netanyahu: Charlie the answer is yes, but I think the US AND the Europeans have something to offer by telling the Palestinians, THAT’s exactly what we expect you to do. The fact that the US is saying that, with a clear voice today, I think is important. The Europeans may be joining us. I hope. It looks like they are.
Charlie Rose: Not all of them.
Benjamin Netanyahu: No well, yes. But…I said to Cathy Ashton ( Ms. Ashton is a Jewish plant! ) that it might be…to get anything in the EU they need 27 votes to agree, a consensus. I said “Cathy, I think it’s easier for me to reach an agreement with President Abbas than for you to reach an agreement among Europeans”, but I think they’re going to try to be helpful.
Charlie Rose: Thank you for the hour.
Benjamin Netanyahu: Thank you Charlie.
Charlie Rose: Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister…yes sir.
Benjamin Netanyahu: We ran twice as much as we should have talked, and I think it’s been a pleasure, and very worthwhile.
Charlie Rose: Thank you for coming.
What follows is an informative unbiased portrait of Iran, which is at odds with Prime Minister Netanyahu ( an acolyte of whom, Yigal Amir, assassinated the genuine Soldier Statesman of Israel, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin ) here, is the presentation of Rick Steve's whose portraits of Iran are precisely what is needed to counter the "apocalyptic, pseudo messianic but maniacal view" of Netanyahu.
"Hi, I'm Rick Steves — in what just might be the most surprising and fascinating land I've ever visited. We're in Iran—here to learn, to understand, and to make some friends. Thanks for joining us.
Like most Americans, I know almost nothing about Iran. For me, this is a journey of discovery. What are my hopes? To enjoy a rich and fascinating culture, to get to know a nation that's a leader in its corner of the world—and has been for 2500 years, and to better understand the 70 million people who call this place home.
We'll show the splendid monuments of Iran's rich and glorious past, discuss the 20th century story of this perplexing nation, and experience Iranian life today in its giant metropolis, historic capital, and a countryside village..["Salaam"]. Most important, we'll meet and talk with the people whose government so exasperates America. ["situation is open.."]... We'll go to Friday prayers in a leading mosque, consider the challenges confronting Iran's youth, enjoy the hospitality of a family dinner and survive the crazy Tehran traffic before experiencing the tranquility of rural life and meeting joyful school kids on a field trip.
Iran, twice the size of France, sits in an increasingly important corner of Asia—surrounded by Turkey, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. We start in the capital, Tehran, follow an ancient trade route south to the village of Abyaneh, to Esfahan, to Shiraz, and then finish at Persepolis.
Every country, including our own, limits access to foreign film crews. We're here in Iran with the permission of the Iranian government. And we're working within the limits it sets as we explore this complex society.
Knowing we're here to explore social and cultural dimensions rather than contentious political issues, the Iranian government is allowing our work. It believes the Western media has given Iran an unfair image. They gave us our visas provided we respect its limits as enforced by our guide. His job: keep us safe, manage the complicated permissions, and keep an eye on what we're shooting.
Tehran, a youthful, noisy capital city, is the modern heart of this country. It's a smoggy, mile high metropolis. With a teeming population of about ten million, its apartment blocks stretch far into the surrounding mountains.
Traffic is notorious here. My first impression: wild drivers. But after surviving my first day: I realized they were experts at keeping things moving. Many major streets actually intersect without the help of traffic lights. It's different...but it seems to work.
Immersed in the commotion of a busy work day—apart from the chador-covered women and lack of Western fast food chains—Tehran seemed much like any city in the developing world.
If you need to get somewhere in a hurry — or if your motorcycle taxi is under some big bus — , thank goodness for the subway. Tehran's thriving subway moves over a million people a day.
This subway system is really as good as anything I've seen in Europe
Of Iran's 70 million people, well over half are under the age of 30. While there are plenty of minorities, the Persian population dominates. The local ethnicity reflects the turmoil of this country's long history. You'll find people with Greek, Arab, Turk, Mongol, Kurdish and Azerbaijani heritage.
Iranians are not Arabs and they don't speak Arabic. This is an important issue with the people of Iran. They are Persians and they speak Farsi. Faces seem to tell a story and are quick to smile...especially when they see a film crew from the USA. Actually, we found that the easiest way to get a smile was to tell people where we're from.
Rick: I'm from the United States...
Man 1: Oh, you're from the United States.....Ok...laughs
Man 2: America? Wow!
Rick: yeah, it's true, it's actually true
Woman: I love you America
Rick: Thank you that's nice to hear
I was impressed by how the people we met were curious and eager to talk. Young educated people are internet savvy and well-informed about the West. They generally spoke some English. Anywhere foreigners went, signs were bi-lingual: Farsi for locals...and English for everyone else.
The script looks Arabic to me, but I learned—like the language — it's Farsi. The numbers, however, are the same as those used in the Arab world.
Another communication challenge: people here have to deal with different calendars: Persian and Muslim (for local affairs), and Western (for dealing with the outside world). What year is it? Well it depends: After Mohammad—about 1390 years ago, after Christ—two thousand and some years ago.
And all this complexity is the result of a long and tumultuous history. The National Museum of Iran helps to give an appreciation of this country's rich heritage. At first I was disappointed by what seemed like a humble collection for such a great culture. Then I learned that most of its treasures were destroyed or looted by invaders and much of what survived was taken away to the great museums in the West.
The collection starts in prehistoric times, back when nomadic hunters were becoming farmers. This bronze plaque featuring Gilgamesh dates from about 1000 BC, a time when this region was in the realm of Mesopotamia. Then in about 500 BC, with the great kings Darius and Xerxes, the mighty Persian Empire was established.
Their art glorified their kings and the notion of peace through strength. Culture flourished and it was about this time that, with cuneiform, the Persian language was first put into writing.
That first Persian Empire was conquered by Alexander the Great from Greece. Later, a second Persian Empire was conquered by Arabs. Then came invasions by Turks and Mongols. Finally, with the establishment of a Third Persian Empire in the 16th century, this culture enjoyed a renaissance. While it's weathered wave after wave of conquerors, the essence of today's Iranian culture is still rooted in that first Persian Empire from 2,500 years ago."
- To Be Continued.
- HERE, IN THE OCTOBER 3rd, 2011 THE NEW YORK TIMES IS A "TIMELY" REFUTATION OF THE FOCUSED SEPTEMBER 26th, HOUR LONG "Charlie" Rose/Benjamin Netanyahu EXCHANGE. Read it and weep.
Israel Accepts New Peace Talks, but Impasse Remains on Terms
by Isabel Kershner.
JERUSALEM - Israel on Sunday formally accepted an international proposal to return to peace negotiations with the Palestinians, but any immediate resumption of talks appeared unlikely as the Israelis and Palestinians differed sharply over the letter and spirit of the proposal.
A senior Palestinian official said over the weekend that after three days of deliberations, THE PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP HAD DECIDED NOT TO RETURN TO TALKS UNLESS ISRAEL HALTED ALL SETTLEMENT CONSTRUCTION and agreed to clear terms of reference for the negotiations — requirements that were perhaps implied but not spelled out in the Sept. 23 statement of the so-called quartet of Middle East peacemakers, which is made up of the United States, the United Nations, the European Union and Russia.
AFTER ISRAEL’S ADVANCEMENT LAST WEEK OF PLANS FOR NEW HOUSING IN A CONTESTED AREA OF JERUSALEM, THE PALESTINIAN OFFICIAL, NABIL SHAATH, TOLD REPORTERS IN THE WEST BANK CITY OF RAMALLAH ON SATURDAY THAT IT WAS NOW NECESSARY FOR THE QUARTET TO STATE CLEARLY “WHAT IT UNDERSTANDS THE TERMS OF REFERENCE TO BE,” AND THEN FOR THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER, BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, “TO SAY, ‘YES, WE ACCEPT.’ ”
Despite weeks of intensive international diplomacy designed to deflect or minimize the impact of a contentious Palestinian bid for recognition of statehood and membership in the United Nations, the Israelis and Palestinians appear to be stuck at an impasse, just as they have been for the past year.
The last round of direct talks broke down soon after they started in September 2010 when a 10-month Israeli moratorium on construction in the West Bank Jewish settlements expired. Israel has refused an additional building freeze in territory captured from Jordan in the 1967 war, where the Palestinians envisage their future state.
Israel says that the Palestinians have made a strategic decision to seek recognition of an outline of a state without the give and take of negotiations and that last time they waited nine months before agreeing to start talks. Asked about the possibility of an additional moratorium, Mr. Netanyahu told The Jerusalem Post last week, “We already gave at the office.”
The Palestinians, eager not to appear rejectionist, have pointed out what they say are the positive attributes of the quartet’s statement. Mr. Shaath said it contained “very few flaws.”
But the language of the statement was intentionally nonspecific in parts, employing codes meant to make it acceptable to both sides. THE PALESTINIANS ARE DEMANDING CLARITY, SAYING THAT IT IS PARTLY SUCH DIPLOMATIC AMBIGUITY THAT HAS LEFT THE PALESTINIANS WITHOUT A COUNTRY AFTER NEARLY 20 YEARS OF INTERMITTENT TALKS.
The quartet’s statement did not explicitly mention a settlement freeze, but it called on the two sides “to refrain from provocative actions” and cited their obligations under the 2003 “road map,” an American-backed peace plan that called for, among other things, a complete stop to all settlement activity.
The Palestinians say that it also accommodates their demand for the pre-1967 boundaries to serve as the basis for border talks.
The Israelis point out that the quartet’s statement specifies that talks should resume without preconditions. It sets a time frame for an agreement to be completed by the end of 2012. And it calls on the Israelis and Palestinians to deal first with borders and security, contrary to Israel’s position that all final status issues are interlocked and must be tackled simultaneously.
A construction site on Sunday in Gilo, part of the disputed land in Jerusalem. Plans for housing there have dismayed Israeli allies.
The rub remains the continued building in the settlements. A senior Israeli official said Sunday that this Israeli government was already “showing more restraint than any previous Israeli government” regarding building in the West Bank. BUT NO ISRAELI GOVERNMENT HAS EVER AGREED TO FREEZE CONSTRUCTION IN THE JEWISH NEIGHBORHOODS OF ISRAELI-ANNEXED ARAB EAST JERUSALEM, he said, reiterating a long-held Israeli position and rejecting a crucial Palestinian demand.
The dispute over building in the areas of Jerusalem beyond the pre-1967 boundaries came into sharp relief again last week when ISRAEL ADVANCED PLANS FOR ABOUT A THOUSAND NEW HOUSING UNITS in one such area, Gilo, which is home to 40,000 mostly Jewish residents on the southern edge of Jerusalem bordering the West Bank.
Touring Gilo with reporters on Sunday, the deputy foreign minister of Israel, Danny Ayalon, said that this was “in the heart of a pulsating, vibrant city” and “an integral part of Jerusalem.”
“JERUSALEM IS THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL. IT CANNOT BE DIVIDED AND WILL NOT BE DIVIDED,” HE SAID, AS CRANES SWUNG IN THE BACKGROUND AND MECHANICAL DIGGERS WORKED ON ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT OF 108 NEW UNITS THAT WAS APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
Israel intends to keep Gilo under any future deal with the Palestinians. BUT MOST OF THE WORLD DOES NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAELI SOVEREIGNTY IN THE AREAS OF JERUSALEM THAT THE PALESTINIANS CLAIM AS PART OF THEIR FUTURE NATION and wants Israel to refrain from further building there so as not to prejudice the outcome of negotiations and as a sign of good faith.
THE LATEST PLANS FOR 35 NEW APARTMENT BUILDINGS EXTENDING DOWN A STEEP, PARTLY POPULATED INCLINE ON AN OUTER EDGE OF GILO ELICITED EXPRESSIONS OF DEEP DISMAY FROM CLOSE ALLIES, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES AND GERMANY.
The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, telephoned Mr. Netanyahu on Friday and told him that the plans “raised doubts that the Israeli government is interested in starting serious negotiations,” her spokesman said in a statement cited by news reports.
Mr. Shaath, the Palestinian official, said that the advancement of the Gilo plans effectively “ended the quartet statement then and there!” - Ms. Kershner N Y Times 10/3/11
MORE TO COME! MAGNUM REVIEW!
* AMY GOODMAN 10/7/11 COMPLETES THE PICTURE -
Attacks on Palestinians Increase in West Bank
Tensions are on the rise in the Occupied Territories amidst a WAVE OF ATTACKS by Israeli settlers and troops. Israeli police say they have arrested suspects accused of vandalizing and setting fire to two Palestinian mosques. The mosques were hit as part of a settler-backed "Price Tag" campaign, a VOW TO TARGET PALESTINIANS IN RESPONSE TO THE DISMANTLING OF "UNAUTHORIZED" OUTPOSTS OUTSIDE OF THE MAJOR ISRAELI SETTLEMENT BLOCS THAT ALREADY CARVE UP PALESTINIAN LAND. The settlers recently extended their vandalism to an Israeli army base in the West Bank, an incident that may have spurred the Israeli military to FINALLY take action. NO ONE HAD BEEN ARRESTED IN ANY OF THE THREE PREVIOUS ARSON ATTACKS IN THE WEST BANK OVER THE PAST YEAR. Meanwhile, Israeli soldiers fired tear gas and stun grenades at a crowd of Palestinian youths who had gathered to protest an Israeli DEMOLITION OF A PALESTINIAN HOME. A member of the family owning the property denounced the Israeli military.
Halima Al Khatib: "They raided us around 6 a.m. Since the morning, occupation forces and their intelligence forces came here. They imposed curfew to prevent anyone from reaching the house and they isolated us in the house and beat up the men. Then they DEMOLISHED the house. I say God will take revenge at them." - Amy Goodman DemocracyNow 10/7/11
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* Ray McGovern VS PBS's Margaret Warner
- RAY McGOVERN (27-year CIA analyst on 6/6/05 Lehrer NewsHour): "I would go back to an earlier conversation, and this happened on the 20th of September 2001, and this happened nine days after 9/11. This involved Tony Blair, who was in Washington having dinner with the President. How do we know about this? We know this because Christopher Meyer, the UK ambassador was there at that dinner. What does he say? The conversation went like this. President Bush: 'Uh, Tony. Uh, we're going into Afghanistan in a week or two, but that won't take long and we get out of there and we're going right into Iraq. Are you with me, Tony? Are you with me?' And Christopher Meyer says 'My goodness, it was really, and Tony was really sort of nonplussed, but he said 'Yes sir, I'm with you Mr. President.' (Margaret Warner tries to interrupt, but Mr. McGovern continues) So that goes back (a flustered Ms. Margaret Warner) "Mr. McGovern, speed up!" (Mr. McGovern) "so that goes back to 2001" (Ms. Warner) "We're almost out of time. Get to the next part!" (Mr. McGovern) "Okay, that's it." (Ms. Warner, almost shouting) "So, it's not about Iraq, it's about Afghanistan!" (Mr. McGovern) "Well, no. This has to do with Iraq. What the President said to Tony Blair, on the 20th of September (2001) according to the UK ambassador who was there, is 'We're going into Afghanistan in a couple of weeks. It won't take us long there, and we're going right into Iraq right after that. Are you with me?' And Tony Blair said 'Yes!'"
Over the years we have received enumerable complaints regarding the Warner contretemps. Finally, this 9/20/11 report by General Electric NBC Universal’s Brian Williams that Tony Bennett on, of all programs, Howard Stern’s, said that George W. Bush admitted that he had made a mistake going into Iraq, that there was no reason, i.e. NO WMDS.
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The conspiracy of silence, by the American Media/Press, regarding the George W. Bush theft of the 2000 presidential election, an "election" designed to provide the authority for the attack and occupation of Iraq; the backstory for this abomination, authenticated by the duplicitous Rehnquist, O'Connor, Kennedy, Scalia & Thomas Supreme Court 12/12/00 rendition of Bush VS Gore; the backstory for this unprecedented National Swindle, comprising the attack and occupation of Iraq; IT WAS ALL "ARRANGED" FOR THE BENEFIT OF ISRAEL!
And "...the Rest of the Story" is even more alarming. The ease with which Israel has been able to prod a series of U.S. Military and State Department policies devised to enable the growing list of "existential enemies" of the state of Israel, that budget for these projects may be approaching several TRILLION$ of DOLLAR$! All of which is the responsibility of, not the Israeli Treasury, but that of the United States! How is it that the many public protests afoot in the United States today, does not include a focus on our expenditures for Israel? Were there such a remonstrance, it would surely be labeled that old Israeli catchall, anti-Semitism?
"From the very first moment, the Bush foreign policy would focus on three key objectives: Get rid of Saddam Hussein, end American involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and rearrange the dominoes in the Middle East. A key to the policy shift would be the concept of PREEMPTION.
The blueprint for the new Bush policy had actually been drawn up five years earlier by three of his (Bush) top National Security advisors ( the Israeli "Soldier Statesman" Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995 ) . Soon to be appointed to senior administration positions, they were Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser".
Additional phrases from pages 261-263 of James Bamford's award-winning "A Pretext For War: 9/11, Iraq, and the Abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies" - "But the centerpiece of their recommendations was the removal of Saddam Hussein as the first step in remaking the Middle East into a region friendly, instead of hostile, to Israel". "Their plan, 'A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm', also signaled a radical departure from the Peace-Oriented policies of former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who was assassinated by a member ( Yigal Amir ) of an extreme right-wing Israeli Group".
"As part of their 'Grand Strategy', they recommended that once Iraq was conquered and Saddam Hussein overthrown, he would be replaced by a puppet leader friendly to Israel. 'Whoever inherits Iraq' they wrote, 'dominates the entire Levant strategically.'" Oy Vey!
* An Insider Informs America!
- "U.S. Envoy Puts Match to Bridges With Iraq Tell-All"
By Steven Lee Myers
WASHINGTON - Peter Van Buren, an American diplomat who speaks Japanese, Mandarin and 'some Korean,' though no Arabic, did a very undiplomatic thing when the State Department sent him to Iraq for a year. He wrote a book.
The result is one diplomat’s darkly humorous and ultimately scathing assault on just about everything the military and the State Department have done — or tried to do — since the invasion of Iraq. The title says it all: 'We Meant Well: How I Helped Lose the Battle for the Hearts and Minds of the Iraqi People' (Metropolitan Books/Henry Holt & Company).
Ample ink has been expended on the war, defending it, attacking it or just trying to understand it. What makes Mr. Van Buren’s account so striking is its gleeful violation of the spirit — and perhaps the letter — of the written and unwritten code of America’s diplomatic corps.
In anything but diplomatic language, he skewers the Army’s commanders and the Iraqis, the embassy, its staff, and even its ambassador at the time, Christopher R. Hill, though not by name. He takes sarcastic aim at the ambassador’s Sisyphean effort to grow a lawn in the sprawling embassy compound beside the Tigris River.
'NO MATTER WHAT IRAQ AND NATURE WANTED, THE AMERICAN EMBASSY SPENT WHATEVER IT TOOK TO HAVE GREEN GRASS IN THE DESERT,' he writes. 'LATER FULL-GROWN PALM TREES WERE TRUCKED IN AND PLANTED TO LINE THE GRASSY SQUARE. We made things in Iraq look the way we wanted them to look, WATER SHORTAGES THROUGH THE REST OF THE COUNTRY BE DAMNED. The grass was the perfect allegory for the whole war.'
He is certainly not the first diplomat to harbor doubts about the efficacy of American diplomacy, but in the cautious culture of the State Department, where every public statement is carefully 'cleared,' often all the way back in Washington, airing them so starkly is simply not done.
'What’s in it is so important because while there are hundreds of books on the shelves today that give relatively colorful accounts of military life inside and outside the wire, THERE AREN’T ANY BY STATE EMPLOYEES WHO TAKE ON THE RECONSTRUCTION PART OF THE WAR SO VIVIDLY,' Kelley B. Vlahos wrote admiringly on ANTIWAR.COM.
The book and the publicity surrounding it — including an Op-Ed article by him in this newspaper — have infuriated Mr. Van Buren’s colleagues. To them, he has betrayed his loyalty to the well-traveled, multilingual, highly educated professional cadre that is the Foreign Service.
'If you feel that strongly about policies you feel are misguided and harmful, you do the honorable thing and resign before tearing your colleagues apart in public,' said a diplomat who served in Iraq, speaking, as is more typically the case, on the condition of anonymity.
Mr. Van Buren himself describes the project as 'career suicide,' though, for now, he continues to work in human resources at the State Department’s Foggy Bottom headquarters.
NOW 51, married with two daughters and living in Virginia, he has been in the Foreign Service for 23 years, with postings around the world. According to his biography in the book, he was honored for his work after the 1995 earthquake in Kobe, Japan, and he worked extensively with the military in previous assignments in Asia and at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina, where he participated in a Marine Corps field exercise meant to simulate conditions in Iraq.
In short, he hardly seemed the type of Foreign Service officer to go rogue, but he has an impish eye for the absurd and a common-sensical attitude that was deeply FRUSTRATED IN THE POLITICAL-MILITARY BUREAUCRACY THAT HAD EVOLVED IN IRAQ BY THE TIME HE ARRIVED IN 2009.
He served in two of the State Department’s provincial reconstruction teams, or P.R.T.’s, in the alphabet soup parlance of the Global War on Terror (G-WOT). The P.R.T.’s were created in 2006 to shift the focus of the American war effort at least in part beyond the barrel of a gun.
The teams, embedded in bleak, sand-clogged military bases, consisted of diplomats, specialists from the Departments of Justice or Agriculture and contractors, all well paid if not always, in his view, necessarily qualified for the task at hand.
'Nobody seemed happy,' he writes in a typical passage of Thanksgiving dinner inside the dining facility (D-FAC) at his base, one of two on the southern outskirts of Baghdad where he worked, 'but everyone did get a lot of food, though like our reports of success, much was ladled out while little was swallowed.'
THE PASSAGE ECHOES HIS MAIN COMPLAINT: THE DAY-TO-DAY RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, HE ARGUES, WERE DONE AS MUCH TO SATISFY THE BUREAUCRATIC NEED TO DEMONSTRATE MEASURABLE PROGRESS AS ACTUALLY TO MAKE MEASURABLE PROGRESS.
He describes clashing with his superiors for trying to cancel programs that were clearly failing, like one to give sheep to widows that instead went to a corrupt sheik. He derides the distribution of humanitarian assistance (H.A.) as little more than photo opportunities that allowed commanders to check a box on progress reports.
'P.R. would fire off hundreds of frames of the same shot, of a smiling Joe handing a Transformer toy to a beaming Iraqi kid,' he writes. 'If the photographers had zoomed out a bit they’d have seen the Iraqi faces grow more sullen the older the recipient. For every 3-year-old smiling over a Snickers bar, there was a gray-haired mother accepting a blanket without making eye contact.'
THE AMERICANS, HE CONTINUES, WERE OBLIVIOUS TO THE HOSTILITY THE INVASION CAUSED AMONG THE IRAQIS THEY WERE TRYING TO HELP. WHEN HIS TEAM GAVE AWAY TREE SEEDLINGS, ONE FARMER RESPONDED BY SPITTING ON THE GROUND. 'YOU KILLED MY SON AND NOW YOU ARE GIVING ME A TREE?' HE QUOTES THE MAN AS SAYING.
MR. VAN BUREN’S MOST SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS INVOLVE THE WASTE OF MONEY SPENT ON THE RECONSTRUCTION, $63 BILLION$ AND COUNTING. The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (Sigir) has chronicled numerous abuses amounting to billions of dollars, but Mr. Van Buren’s account abounds with the granularity of projects too small for Sigir to bother with.
Among many examples, he cites the $3 MILLION PURCHASE OF 25 MOBILE WATER PURIFICATION UNITS, ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT THEY WERE ILL SUITED FOR THE HIGH SALINITY OF IRAQ’S WATER. 'Local thugs' stole one and charged for water until it broke down, 'and the people blamed the United States for sending them shoddy equipment.'
AS the Foreign Service requires, Mr. Van Buren submitted his manuscript for review in September 2010, shortly after he returned from Iraq. The rules state that the review must be completed within 30 days. When he heard nothing, he took that as assent.
Last month, however, the State Department wrote to the publisher and objected, citing three brief passages it said contained classified information, though all are fairly well known, like the Central Intelligence Agency’s budgetary support for the Iraqi intelligence agencies.
In a statement, a spokeswoman for the publisher, Pat Eisemann, said the passages 'on their face clearly did not contain classified information.' Anyway, copies of the book were already on their way to bookstores.
A State Department official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the issue is a personnel matter, said the department had in fact begun discussions with Mr. Van Buren over the book’s contents, though belatedly. Publishing without awaiting the required review amounted to a violation, the official said. It is not clear what further action, if any, the department intends to take.
The last of the P.R.T.’s, in the volatile province of Diyala, closed last month ahead of the final withdrawal of American troops this year. Some have disputed Mr. Van Buren’s grim view of the provincial reconstruction teams’ success, but his account amounts to a CODA FOR THE HISTORY OF THE P.R.T.’S AND THE WAR ITSELF.
'When we invaded — intervened, dropped by — Iraq, we said we’re going to rebuild this country,' he said in an interview. 'The mission was to create a stable democracy in the Middle East that would be a partner for the United States, that would crank out oil, that would solve our petroleum fears. These were the goals, and they are what you have to measure this against.'" - STEVEN LEE MYERS N Y Times 10/8/11
* Truly Fair and Balanced Reporting
October 14, 2011 - Amy Goodman DemocracyNow
"Obama Vows New Sanctions on Iran
President Obama is vowing to seek new international sanctions on Iran over U.S. allegations the Iranian government plotted to carry out an attack inside the United States. Two alleged operatives were indicted this week on charges they sought to hire a Mexican drug cartel to assassinate the Saudi ambassador. In his first public comments on the charges, Obama pledged to further isolate Iran.
President Obama: 'What we’re going to continue to do is to apply the toughest sanctions and continue to mobilize the international community to make sure that Iran is further and further isolated and that it pays a price for this kind of behavior. Now, we don’t take any options off the table in terms of how we operate with Iran, but what you can expect is that we will continue to apply the sorts of pressure that will have a direct impact on the Iranian government, until it makes a better choice in terms of how it’s going to interact with the rest of the international community.'
The Obama administration has insisted the plot is legitimate, despite widespread doubts. Those involved were easily detectable, and U.S. investigators thought it to be so outlandish, they doubted Iranian involvement from the beginning of their probe. Speaking before the Senate Banking Committee, David Cohen, the Treasury Under-Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, said U.S. sanctions could include new measures against Iran’s Central Bank.
David Cohen: 'All options to increase the financial pressure on Iran are on the table, including the possibility of imposing additional sanctions against the CBI. If Iran continues to choose its path of defiance, we will continue to develop new and innovative ways to impose additional costs on Iran.'
The U.S. Department of State has confirmed it has made direct contact with Iran over the allegations. State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland acknowledged that contact had been made, but refused to disclose specifics.
Victoria Nuland: 'We are not prepared at the moment to go any further on the question of who spoke to whom and where, but just to confirm that we have had direct contact with Iran.'"
- "Obama ( THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ) Pledging tough Sanctions For Iran In Plot" ( BUT ) "Tehran denies role in Scheme to Kill Saudi Envoy to the U.S."
By HELENE COOPER
"WASHINGTON - President Obama vowed on Thursday to push for what he called the 'toughest sanctions' against Iran, saying that THE UNITED STATES HAD STRONG EVIDENCE that Iranian officials were COMPLICIT in an alleged plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to the United States.
In his FIRST PUBLIC REMARKS on the assassination scheme, Mr. Obama sought to COUNTER SKEPTICISM ABOUT WHETHER IRAN’S ISLAMIC GOVERNMENT DIRECTED AN IRANIAN-AMERICAN CAR SALESMAN TO ENGAGE WITH A MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL TO KILL SAUDI ARABIA’S AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES and carry out other attacks. Mr. Obama insisted that American officials 'know that he had direct links, was paid by, and directed by individuals in the Iranian government.'
'Now those facts are there for all to see,' Mr. Obama said. 'We would not be bringing forward a case unless we knew exactly how to support all the allegations that are contained in the indictment.'
The president did not lay out any specific new sanctions against Iran; his administration is considering a number of measures, but has limited leverage and would have to muster international support to impose anything with real teeth.
While Mr. Obama made his remarks during a news conference in the White House East Room with the South Korean president, Lee Myung-bak, THE STATE DEPARTMENT SAID THAT UNITED STATES OFFICIALS HAD BEEN IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF IRAN OVER THE ACCUSATIONS.
THE STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESWOMAN, VICTORIA NULAND, WOULD PROVIDE NO DETAILS. BUT THURSDAY NIGHT A WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL SAID THE CONTACT HAD BEEN MADE BY THE UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS, SUSAN E. RICE, WHO GAVE A LETTER TO HER IRANIAN COUNTERPART, MOHAMMAD KHAZAEE.
IN HER REMARKS ABOUT THE ALLEGED PLOT, MS. NULAND SAID: 'WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE DETAILS, IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING OUT OF A MOVIE, BUT AS YOU BEGIN TO GIVE MORE DETAIL ON WHAT WE KNEW AND WHEN WE KNEW IT AND HOW WE KNEW IT, IT HAS CREDIBILITY.'
Mr. Obama said that the administration had reached out to allies and the international community to build support. 'We’ve laid the facts before them,' he said. 'And we believe that after people have analyzed them, there will not be a dispute that this is in fact what happened.'
THE PRESIDENT GOT SOME SUPPORT FROM SOME ALLIED GOVERNMENTS ON THURSDAY ( Does That Include ISRAEL? ) . The Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, told reporters at a news conference in Vienna that 'this dastardly act reflects the policies of Iran.' The Saudi government has not yet decided whether to withdraw its ambassador from Tehran in protest, he said.
IN LONDON, THE BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY, WILLIAM HAGUE, TOLD THE HOUSE OF COMMONS THAT THE SUSPECTED PLOT 'WOULD APPEAR TO CONSTITUTE A MAJOR ESCALATION IN IRAN’S SPONSORSHIP OF TERRORISM OUTSIDE ITS BORDERS,' British news agencies reported. He added that the BRITISH GOVERNMENT WAS 'IN CLOSE TOUCH WITH THE U.S. AUTHORITIES AND WILL WORK TO AGREE AN INTERNATIONAL RESPONSE, ALONG WITH THE U.S., THE REST OF THE E.U. AND SAUDI ARABIA.'
IRAN ESCALATED ITS REBUTTAL OF THE AMERICAN CHARGES, SAYING THE CLAIMS ABOUT THE ALLEGED PLOT WERE SO LUDICROUS THAT EVEN POLITICIANS AND THE MEDIA IN THE UNITED STATES WERE EXPRESSING SKEPTICISM ABOUT THEM.
Iran’s state-run media was dominated on Thursday by rejections of the American charges. The foreign minister, Ali Akbar Salehi, called the charges part of a 'new propaganda campaign.' THE OFFICIAL IRNA NEWS AGENCY QUOTED IRAN’S SUPREME LEADER, AYATOLLAH ALI KHAMENEI, AS SAYING: 'REPEATING STUPID AND USELESS METHODS BY HOPELESS WESTERN POLICY MAKERS TO CREATE IRANOPHOBIA WILL NOT BE FRUITFUL AND THEY WILL FAIL AGAIN.'
While Mr. Obama echoed assertions by other administration officials that Iranian officials were complicit in the alleged plot, he did not go as far as some officials did on Wednesday when they told reporters that they had concluded that the operation had been discussed at the highest levels of the Iranian government.
Appearing next to the South Korean president, Mr. Lee, who was in Washington for a state visit, Mr. Obama promised to “apply the toughest sanctions and continue to mobilize the international community to make sure that Iran is further and further isolated and pays a price for this kind of behavior.” He said that all options were on the table — a diplomatic signal that he would not rule out military strikes — but administration officials privately say it is highly unlikely that the United States would respond with force.
Instead, the administration will try to persuade Russia, China, Europe and India to endorse tougher sanctions against Tehran. Thus far, the United States has prodded its international partners to put in place limited sanctions against Iranian officials involved in the country’s nuclear program, as part of the international effort to rein in Tehran’s nuclear ambitions.
But that strategy has, so far, had limited success, with Russia and China in particular wary about going too far in a direction that officials say could hurt commercial interests in those countries.
The United States does virtually no business with Iran, and that leaves American officials with few meaningful options for unilateral action. Some lawmakers in the United States are calling for Mr. Obama to try to increase pressure on Iran by punishing Russian and Chinese companies that do business with Iran’s energy industry. But the administration has resisted such a move, which would undoubtedly deeply anger Moscow and Beijing.
White House officials said they were still weighing what additional sanctions they would push for in light of the alleged plot. One possibility, administration officials said, would be to target Iran’s central bank. But that likely would provoke resistance because it would entangle other countries or entities that do business with the central bank. Another possibility would be to focus on members of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps who are involved in the country’s oil industry. But that could affect global oil markets.
Standing next to Mr. Obama in the White House East Room Thursday, Mr. Lee gave him a measured vote of confidence on the suspected plot.
'We were deeply shocked when we read the reports on the attempt to harm the Saudi envoy here in Washington, D.C.,' Mr. Lee said. 'I and the Korean people strongly condemn all forms of terrorism.'" - HELENE COOPER N Y Times 10/14/11
Truly alarming
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"Iran vs. U.S., Playing Out An Old Story
Alleged Plots Add to List Of Bitter Accusations
By SCOTT SHANE and ARTIN AFKHAMI
WASHINGTON - WHEN AN IRANIAN SCIENTIST WAS SHOT AND KILLED IN FRONT OF HIS HOME IN TEHRAN ON JULY 23, HE WAS THE THIRD RESEARCHER WITH SUPPOSED TIES TO IRAN’S NUCLEAR PROGRAM TO BE ASSASSINATED IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS.
A week later, $49,960 was wired from a foreign bank account linked to Iran’s Quds Force to a man posing as a Mexican drug hit man, the down payment on an alleged Iranian scheme to murder the Saudi ambassador to the United States.
The simultaneous unfolding of assassination plots in two countries might well be a coincidence. But if the Obama administration is right that the outlandish contract scheme to murder the ambassador was the work of Iranian officials, it is only the latest episode in a covert struggle that has played out for years involving Iran, the United States and an AMERICAN ALLY ( ? ) , Israel.
'The Iranians absolutely believe the U.S. and Israel have been carrying out a covert campaign against them,' said Gary Sick, an Iran expert at Columbia University. 'And clearly they are right.'
Mr. Sick, like many specialists, said he had trouble fully accepting the administration’s interpretation of the suspected plot to kill the Saudi ambassador. The man prosecutors say was at the center of the scheme, a whiskey-drinking used-car dealer named Mansour J. Arbabsiar, seems an unlikely agent for the sophisticated Quds Force, the external arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, he said.
But he said the Guards, who oversee Iran’s nuclear program and had ties to the murdered scientists, would be looking for ways to avenge or deter such attacks. 'A mysterious killing in Washington might well look like payback for the scientists,' he said. 'It’s the incompetence of this plot that’s so hard to believe.'
Speaking at Friday Prayer in January 2010, a hard-line cleric, Ayatollah Ahmad Alamolhoda, described the murder of scientists as 'a sign of the all-out, multifront war that the enemy is fighting against us.' He added, 'We must know that to the extent there are attacks against us, it is necessary to defend ourselves to the same extent.'
(Please recall that in 1953 our President Eisenhower overthrew the democratically elected Iranian Premier Mohammed Mossadegh, TO CONTROL IRAN'S OIL, so, if today there is a country in the Middle East prone to attacking its neighbors, the international public record indicates it is Israel, not Iran!)
THE KILLINGS OF THE SCIENTISTS, THOUGHT BY MOST WESTERN ANALYSTS TO BE THE WORK OF ISRAEL, with tolerance from the United States, were far from the only bloody episodes in what has been largely a cold war.
Iran stands accused of providing powerful explosive devices to insurgents fighting American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. The use of such surrogates dates virtually from the Islamic Revolution in 1979; American officials believe Iran was behind the bombings of the United States Embassy and Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983 and the strike against Air Force personnel at Khobar, Saudi Arabia, in 1996.
IN RECENT YEARS, ISRAEL AND THE UNITED STATES HAVE WORKED ASSIDUOUSLY to slow Iran’s progress toward nuclear weapons. The C.I.A. has operated a 'brain drain' project to lure Iranian nuclear researchers to the West, an effort glimpsed last year when a defecting scientist, Shahram Amiri, suddenly returned to Iran. (After a hero’s welcome, he was imprisoned on treason charges, according to reports from Iran.)
Both countries are believed to have worked in recent years to sabotage Iran’s program to enrich uranium, SMUGGLING DAMAGED COMPONENTS INTO IRAN’S SUPPLY CHAIN AND DESTROYING CENTRIFUGES BY PLANTING THE SO-CALLED STUXNET COMPUTER WORM.
That varied assault plays directly into the worldview of Iran’s clerical leaders, said Reuel ( ...the totally tainted... ) Marc Gerecht, who worked against Iran as a C.I.A. officer from 1985 to 1994.
The covert skirmishes, he said, 'are part of what the Iranians call a titanic struggle between the faithful and the unbelievers, between Iran and the United States, the great Satan, with Israel as the little Satan.' The Iranian view of the United States as an enemy 'is paranoid, but it’s not inaccurate,' said Mr. Gerecht, now with the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a CONSERVATIVE RESEARCH GROUP.
Since the appointment in 2007 of Mohammad Ali Jafari as commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Iranian officials have promoted the idea of 'soft war' between Iran and the West, suggesting that an insidious cultural invasion could undermine the theocracy. The Guards and the Basij, or volunteer militia, have been trained to combat such influences, seeking to filter them from the media and Internet.
Officials saw the opposition Green Movement that blossomed in 2009 as just such a threat, portraying young opponents of the government as tools of the United States. Likewise, Iranian leaders today see an American hand behind some developments in the Arab Spring, particularly the undermining of Iran’s allies in Syria. The rivalry between Saudi Arabia, the Sunni Arab power in the region, and Iran, the Persian bastion of Shiite Islam, is an old story, but some of the American diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks showed Saudi hostility in especially raw form. In a now-famous 2008 cable from Riyadh, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, Adel al-Jubeir, reminded the Americans that King Abdullah, the Saudi monarch, had urged the United States to attack Iran and destroy its nuclear program.
'He told you to cut off the head of the snake,' Mr. Jubeir is quoted as saying.
Whether that statement put him in Iran’s sights in the plot revealed this week is uncertain. The Washington Post reported Friday that Iran’s Quds Force is believed by American and Saudi intelligence to be behind the killing in May of a Saudi diplomat in Karachi, Pakistan.
But plotting the murder of a Saudi diplomat on American soil would be an act aimed at the United States as much as at Saudi Arabia, said Reza Aslan, an Iran expert at the University of California, Riverside.
Mr. Gerecht said he was inclined to accept the administration’s account of the Washington murder plot, which he sees as a bold escalation of hostilities in the covert conflict. 'The only thing that has kept the Iranians from hitting in the United States is the fear that it will rouse the beast,' he said. 'If the Justice Department is right about this plot, that’s very bad news.'" - Scott Shane Artin Afkhami N Y Times 10/15/11
If there was any validity to this "IRANIAN PLOT", David Sanger would be all over it!!! But the fact that he now is, does NOT indicate validity. It merely assures us that the PROPAGANDA is more convoluted and intense.
Israel's Record
At Home
"Israel Plans to Build More Housing in East Jerusalem
By RICK GLADSTONE
The Israeli government has submitted formal plans to build a new neighborhood of Jewish housing in a part of Jerusalem beyond the 1967 lines close to the West Bank city of Bethlehem, the ANTI-SETTLEMENT ISRAELI GROUP PEACE NOW REPORTED FRIDAY.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GIVAT HAMATOS, WOULD BE SITUATED ON THE SOUTHERN FLANK OF EAST JERUSALEM, THE PART OF THE HOLY CITY THAT THE PALESTINIANS WANT AS THE CAPITAL FOR THEIR FUTURE STATE OF PALESTINE.
Peace Now, which opposes Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, said in a statement that unlike other recent Israeli construction projects in East Jerusalem that had expanded existing neighborhoods, 'THE NEW PLAN CREATES AN ENTIRELY NEW FOOTPRINT OF A NEW ISRAELI NEIGHBORHOOD IN EAST JERUSALEM.'
The practical consequence, the group said, would be to 'complete the isolation between Bethlehem and East Jerusalem' and constitute 'A GAME CHANGER THAT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES THE POSSIBLE BORDER BETWEEN ISRAEL AND PALESTINE.'
The project, which would create 2,610 homes, was first proposed a few years ago and must still undergo an eight-week appeal period under Israeli law. It would be the first entirely new Jewish area in Jerusalem since 1997.
Word that the Givat Hamatos project was proceeding injected new worries into the increasingly troubled relations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, and FURTHER DIMMED HOPES FOR A RESUMPTION OF PEACE NEGOTIATIONS.
Reacting to the news, the chief Palestinian Authority negotiator, Saeb Erekat, who was in Paris with President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority, was quoted by Agence France-Presse as saying it proved 'THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT WANTS TO DESTROY THE PEACE PROCESS AND THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION.'
This week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel established a committee to examine settlement outposts built on private Palestinian land in the West Bank. The government has promised to dismantle many of those outposts and there was concern that the committee’s TRUE GOAL WAS TO FIND WAYS TO AVOID THAT, ALTHOUGH MR. NETANYAHU’S OFFICE DENIED THAT.
'We oppose any effort to legalize settlement outposts, which is unhelpful to our peace efforts and would contradict Israeli commitments and obligations,' the State Department said in a statement on Wednesday." - RICK GLADSTONE N Y Times 10/15/11